Politics

[Phienyx]

When religion stays the hell away from politics, I'll die happy.

Tell that to Obama and his Holy Kuran

[Venlar]

Less government, less laws, more freedom!

Spoken like a true conservative. <3

Then why do conservatives seem hell bent on putting government and regulation in the bedroom?

Cite an example please.

If you're an american and not doing anything to infringe on the freedom of other americans I really don't want to know what you're doing in bed.

Disclaimer - I'm a real conservative not a whack-job religious right one.

Gay marriage, civil unions, anti-sodomy laws, birth control regulation and bans, abortion, mandatory invasive internal ultra sound probes for abortion even in the case of rape.

I know you're not a whack-job religious right conservative but they are taking over the party. I used to be a republican and have seen this coming for a while. Moderate Republicans are being pushed out and replaced by teabaggers that tow the hard right party and religious lines.

[Mharz]

Less government, less laws, more freedom!

Spoken like a true conservative. <3

Then why do conservatives seem hell bent on putting government and regulation in the bedroom?

Cite an example please.

If you're an american and not doing anything to infringe on the freedom of other americans I really don't want to know what you're doing in bed.

Disclaimer - I'm a real conservative not a whack-job religious right one.

Gay marriage, civil unions, anti-sodomy laws, birth control regulation and bans, abortion, mandatory invasive internal ultra sound probes for abortion even in the case of rape.

I know you're not a whack-job religious right conservative but they are taking over the party. I used to be a republican and have seen this coming for a while. Moderate Republicans are being pushed out and replaced by teabaggers that tow the hard right party and religious lines.

They aren't taking over the party.  They just scream the loudest.

Gay Marriage - This is a complicated issue but I'm about to make it simple for everyone.  I understand that as time passes the "pursuit of happiness" changes for new generations.  I embrace change in many cases.  I don't have qualms with social unions for gay couples.  What I very much oppose is the concept of gay "marriage."  I'm willing to grant the same contractual rights under the law but what I WILL NOT do is call it marriage because that is a social contract between a man and a woman which has historical, social and moral roots.

Words mean things.

We use words to communicate.

More conflicts in the world come from lack of communication than anything else in my opinion so I won't endorse changing the meaning of a word for a group of people who are seeking a contractual social agreement.  

So summary - Marriage no.  Social Union, yes.

Anti-sodomy laws - Who plans to enforce those?  Yeah.. thought so.  Those aren't laws, they're social statements.  Unless you're doing something like this in public who is really going to enforce a law like this?  Stupid.  Waste of time to even put it on the books and we all know that wasting time is wasting money and government can't afford to do that.

So summary - These aren't really laws that can be enforced and therefore shouldn't even be laws.

Birth control regulation - All medicine should be tested and regulated.  How else would you regulate it?  Sex is a choice.  No one holds a gun to your head and makes you hop in bed for a roll.  If you can't afford the possible consequence of your actions maybe you should reconsider.  

Abortion - Another complicated topic that I'm about to make simple but this will make half of you cry because it will tear down your big government.  There are people who strongly believe that abortion is murder.  There are other people that believe women (and the men who made the choice to romp around) have a right to choose.

So who's right?  That depends on who you ask.  What I do know is that America is built on diversity.  That diversity is a pillar of what this country stands for.  So how do you create an environment where both of these equally voiced groups can exist?  You let states regulate and legislate.  There were a few people who thought that the states should do exactly this.  They were the ones that founded the country.  Maybe we should remember their wisdom.

When you allow states to regulate the laws you allow people who believe a certain way to exist in a different state.  If you believe that there should be no sugary drinks sold over 16 ounces move to NY.  If you think that sugary  drinks should only be sold in 1 gallon containers with a straw then you can move to [insert cool state here].

What this does is create states that reflect the values of the people that live there.  If you don't like the values that are reflected in the laws passed by that state then move or work to change the laws.

That's how the founding fathers thought it should work.

Get rid of the huge federal government and the Department of Goat Herding and Grass Cutting and ship all the responsibilities to the states.  Who understands people best?  The governing officials that are closest to them not some idiot in DC or a lobby serving a corporation that doesn't even operate in the state.

Summary - Abortion yes, as long as it is state regulated and a state should be allowed, at it's own discretion to outlaw it.

Lets start there.

I'm conservative but I know not everyone thinks like me yet.  So in order to help get those of you that don't to think like me I'm willing to embrace our differences.  More important than being conservative I'm an American and I know our country is built on diversity and we have to make a place for everyone.

[Broin]

So...how about that Romney video where he digs a deep hole in front of a bunch of donors? I guess that's why politicians lie - speaking candidly is how you lose an election, at least with those views.

You really want to get me started again?  There is nothing he said that was not TRUE.  

Didn't seem to hurt the Obama with his comments on ... Bitter clingers.... Oil and Coal companies necessarily failing due to regulations... The Plumber... redistribution... didn't build it.... and on and on and on..


As for Venlar...

"Then why do conservatives seem hell bent on putting government and regulation in the bedroom?"


1) Gay marriage

Uh this doesn't have to do with your bedroom it has to do with what has already been discused as a result of the States rights on marriage

2) Civil unions

Again nothign to do with what you do in your bedroom.  Screw who you want but see my previous answer for why some States and the people in those states decide why they do or do not want Gay Marriage or Civil Unions.  

Don't like what a state does or doesn't do you are free to move out of State to one that is more accomadating to you.  There are plenty

3) Anti-sodomy laws

Really?  Dude stop stretching....  Show me the latest person who was arrested for this who A Wasn't doing something else ethey weren't suppoused to be doing in publice or B  Hell just see A

4) Birth control regulation and bans

LOL there are no bans on birth control....  I love how when people argue that they don't want public tax payer funds to pay for certain things that it is somehow a regulation or a ban.  It is not... You are free to spend your own damn money and get what you want when you want for whatever reason you...

The real problem here is forcing religious organizations to go against their believes and provide services that are contrary to what they believe.  But that's okay I know that most libs don't give a crap about what other people's beliefs and morales are... I mean if we don't hold the same belief system or morale system that you want us to have were just hate mongers.... It's okay I understand

5) abortion

If you need one go get it... If you want me to pay for it go fuck yourself.

6) mandatory invasive internal ultra sound probes for abortion even in the case of rape.

You want to elaborate on the entire law and the reason why it is being looked at, and what STATE specifically it is in?  Because I dont' see when or where that is being forced upon the populace in general

[Tbone]

Gay Marriage - This is a complicated issue but I'm about to make it simple for everyone.  I understand that as time passes the "pursuit of happiness" changes for new generations.  I embrace change in many cases.  I don't have qualms with social unions for gay couples.  What I very much oppose is the concept of gay "marriage."  I'm willing to grant the same contractual rights under the law but what I WILL NOT do is call it marriage because that is a social contract between a man and a woman which has historical, social and moral roots.

That's not true at all. "Marriage" has always been a malleable contract that is different with different cultures and has changed over time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#History_of_marriage_by_culture

Polygamy, men's freedom versus women being put to death for adultery, child marriage, same sex marriage, etc. etc. - have all been a part of "marriage" history. Religion and the church didn't even have anything to do with marriage for a long time.

Just because YOU have a specific idea of what "marriage" should mean doesn't mean that you shouldn't allow other cultures or people to define their own "marriage". If you think a civil union is fine, then the word isn't going to fuck up your "sanctity". If you really wanna tackle that, you should focus on banning divorces.

You really want to get me started again? There is nothing he said that was not TRUE.

You miss my point. I didn't say that he was lying to a bunch of people and got caught. I'm saying he voiced what he believes to be true and, as a result, has dug himself a hole that's going to be hard to get out of.

I could go off about how his 47% of lazy fucks are mostly comprised of children, the elderly, military, and families making less than $50k, but the real point is his conviction to not compromise.

"It's not my job to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

A President's job is certainly to worry about "those people", even if they aren't going to vote for him. It shows a level of ignorance and disdain for HALF OF THE POPULATION that's just going to make it near impossible for him to come out on top. Even if you agree with his gross stereotype of half of America, his "if only I had a race card" joke, and his defeatism of any form of peace between Israel and Palestine, you have to concede that this will probably be the beginning of the end for Romney. Good luck in 2016 GOP!

His only hope is that YouTube comes out with another addicting video that everyone flocks to...oh wait...

[Broin]

The 47% are not comprised of children.... That is just liberal talking points.

Oh and you better hope he doesn't get back in because if he does... I've got my out and I'll be done with workin for that puke... And I'm not going to be the only one who will be out as well.  So good luck cause at that point you'll need all you can get.

[Phienyx]

I can tell you one thing for sure.  The fact that those who disagree with what I believe when I voice it will never be a concern of mine.  Of course I'm going to "dig a hole" with them.  The fact that you disagree doesn't necessarily mean that those who also disagree are in the majority.  Therefore that doesn't mean any "hole is being dug".  That has yet to be seen in regard to Mr. Romney's comments.

[Venlar]

So...how about that Romney video where he digs a deep hole in front of a bunch of donors? I guess that's why politicians lie - speaking candidly is how you lose an election, at least with those views.

You really want to get me started again?  There is nothing he said that was not TRUE.  

Didn't seem to hurt the Obama with his comments on ... Bitter clingers.... Oil and Coal companies necessarily failing due to regulations... The Plumber... redistribution... didn't build it.... and on and on and on..


As for Venlar...

"Then why do conservatives seem hell bent on putting government and regulation in the bedroom?"


1) Gay marriage

Uh this doesn't have to do with your bedroom it has to do with what has already been discused as a result of the States rights on marriage

2) Civil unions

Again nothign to do with what you do in your bedroom.  Screw who you want but see my previous answer for why some States and the people in those states decide why they do or do not want Gay Marriage or Civil Unions.  

Don't like what a state does or doesn't do you are free to move out of State to one that is more accomadating to you.  There are plenty

3) Anti-sodomy laws

Really?  Dude stop stretching....  Show me the latest person who was arrested for this who A Wasn't doing something else ethey weren't suppoused to be doing in publice or B  Hell just see A

4) Birth control regulation and bans

LOL there are no bans on birth control....  I love how when people argue that they don't want public tax payer funds to pay for certain things that it is somehow a regulation or a ban.  It is not... You are free to spend your own damn money and get what you want when you want for whatever reason you...

The real problem here is forcing religious organizations to go against their believes and provide services that are contrary to what they believe.  But that's okay I know that most libs don't give a crap about what other people's beliefs and morales are... I mean if we don't hold the same belief system or morale system that you want us to have were just hate mongers.... It's okay I understand

5) abortion

If you need one go get it... If you want me to pay for it go fuck yourself.

6) mandatory invasive internal ultra sound probes for abortion even in the case of rape.

You want to elaborate on the entire law and the reason why it is being looked at, and what STATE specifically it is in?  Because I don't' see when or where that is being forced upon the populace in general

1 and 2) We're not going to agree on this no matter what. The way I see it is discrimination based on sexual orientation. Saying that you can just move to another state isn't a solution to the problem seeing as the far right has tried to introduce a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage on a national level at least 5 times since 2002. This is an issue that will continued to be fought out until gay marriage is universal or until its outright banned.

3) Anti-Sodomy laws were deemed unconstitutional in 2003 in the Lawrence v. Texas case in which 2 men were arrested after a false burglary call led officers to their home where they were arrested for violating the anti-sodomy law. However since 2003 several states have continued to keep these laws on the books despite the supreme courts ruling. States such as Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Virginia. State legislators have actively tried to find loopholes around the Lawrence v. Texas decision in order to continue discriminating against same sex couples.

4) The "personhood" bills that republicans have tried to pass in several states and in congress would not only ban abortion but effectively ban several types of birth control, contraceptives and invetro fertilization.

5) Here you differ from the far rights attempts to outright ban abortion. Which is in my opinion the biggest part of the abortion argument. Funding is another issue entirely.

6) Virginia tried to pass a bill that would require a transvaginal ultrasound before getting an abortion however the bill was revised because of public outcry. However similar bills have been passed in Texas, Oklahoma and North Carolina.

[Venlar]

The 47% are not comprised of children.... That is just liberal talking points.

Oh and you better hope he doesn't get back in because if he does... I've got my out and I'll be done with workin for that puke... And I'm not going to be the only one who will be out as well.  So good luck cause at that point you'll need all you can get.

[Da6onet]

WARNING: simplistic inflammatory talk ahead

The bedroom issues will get worked out within a generation (think attrition).

I'm more concerned that America is really headed for a cradle to grave government protected society.

Look how well that's worked for Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc.

So how about it, are you for the individual or for the state?

For those who aren't out of school yet, think of it this way:
If you have worked hard to get all A's, and your partying friend has straight C's, would you be willing to give up your A's so that both end up straight B's.

[Broin]

[1 and 2) We're not going to agree on this no matter what. The way I see it is discrimination based on sexual orientation. Saying that you can just move to another state isn't a solution to the problem seeing as the far right has tried to introduce a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage on a national level at least 5 times since 2002. This is an issue that will continued to be fought out until gay marriage is universal or until its outright banned.

3) Anti-Sodomy laws were deemed unconstitutional in 2003 in the Lawrence v. Texas case in which 2 men were arrested after a false burglary call led officers to their home where they were arrested for violating the anti-sodomy law. However since 2003 several states have continued to keep these laws on the books despite the supreme courts ruling. States such as Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Virginia. State legislators have actively tried to find loopholes around the Lawrence v. Texas decision in order to continue discriminating against same sex couples.

4) The "personhood" bills that republicans have tried to pass in several states and in congress would not only ban abortion but effectively ban several types of birth control, contraceptives and invetro fertilization.

5) Here you differ from the far rights attempts to outright ban abortion. Which is in my opinion the biggest part of the abortion argument. Funding is another issue entirely.

6) Virginia tried to pass a bill that would require a transvaginal ultrasound before getting an abortion however the bill was revised because of public outcry. However similar bills have been passed in Texas, Oklahoma and North Carolina.

So what you are saying is that your original rant that there is some kind of ban on abortion, limit on birth control, people being arrested for sodomy, mandatory ultrasounds, and everything else you said is....

NOT TRUE

You decide to pick things here and there that are not law or not implemented and just put them forth as being law and true and happening now....  

Want me to put forth all the crazy crap the liberals/dems have tried to pass or offered up as bills and amendments and say that they are all true?

Your f'n head would explode

As I said before... I totally understand the liberal mindset.


Oh and on your little liberal graph... Where are the children?  And before you answer you better do some research because if you think that is showing children as part of the 47% you are WRONG


What is absolutely insane to me is that here you have a stupid ass video where one candidate is basically telling the truth about things and half of you dolts think it's the worst thing in the world.

While on the other hand really serious issues that matter to our life and liberty and the well being of our citizens are happening and the media don't care and neither do any of you.    

Your more concerned about what crap you hear from MSNBC, CNN, Jon Stewart and the Daily Show as if they are providing you with real news or anything worthwhile.

I mean on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 we had a group of terrorist come on sovereign US territory and soil and kill 4 US citizens and the best thing that Obama can manage to say is " Oh it wasn't a terrorist attack it was just random protest and violence based off of some video.  It has absolutely nothing to do with our policies or current standings"

Seriously are you a fuckin moron, and you want to know the worst of it.  They knew.  Think about that... The president and his cabinet knew this shit was going to happen.  They knew that the security was insufficient in Libya.  They knew the protests were coming and they also knew that there was a threat... And what did they do....?  NOTHING

But what do we get from the Libs/Dems/Media..... CRICKET CRICKET
If a Repub was in the White house they'd been fried up and served to the masses by now....

[Da6onet]

I mean on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 we had a group of terrorist come on sovereign US territory and soil and kill 4 US citizens and the best thing that Obama can manage to say is " Oh it wasn't a terrorist attack it was just random protest and violence based off of some video.  It has absolutely nothing to do with our policies or current standings"

Seriously are you a fuckin moron, and you want to know the worst of it.  They knew.  Think about that... The president and his cabinet knew this shit was going to happen.  They knew that the security was insufficient in Libya.  They knew the protests were coming and they also knew that there was a threat... And what did they do....?  NOTHING

But what do we get from the Libs/Dems/Media..... CRICKET CRICKET
If a Repub was in the White house they'd been fried up and served to the masses by now....

True story.

Though I don't see Romney as a deft foreign policy man, he cannot possibly do worse than Obama and his administration who have really weakened our standing in the world.

[NoCry]

Aye, Obama and Clinton between them have reduced your strength on the world forum no doubt.

Your state department believes the middle east will manage itself and applauded when fundamentalists get elected whilst allowing the russians and chinese to continue their lovefest under their noses.

On the contrary, a (right wing)(strong) statesman is needed more than ever for your country (at least in so far as the world is concerned).

Carry on.

[likwidtek]

[Lithium]

I mean on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 we had a group of terrorist come on sovereign US territory and soil and kill 4 US citizens and the best thing that Obama can manage to say is " Oh it wasn't a terrorist attack it was just random protest and violence based off of some video.  It has absolutely nothing to do with our policies or current standings"

Seriously are you a fuckin moron, and you want to know the worst of it.  They knew.  Think about that... The president and his cabinet knew this shit was going to happen.  They knew that the security was insufficient in Libya.  They knew the protests were coming and they also knew that there was a threat... And what did they do....?  NOTHING

But what do we get from the Libs/Dems/Media..... CRICKET CRICKET
If a Repub was in the White house they'd been fried up and served to the masses by now....

True story.

Though I don't see Romney as a deft foreign policy man, he cannot possibly do worse than Obama and his administration who have really weakened our standing in the world.

After 9 days of thinking about it the administration has now decided it was ''self-evident'' that it was a terrorist attack.

And the man fingered for pulling off the attack was let go from Gitmo under the extreme pressure of the democratic controlled senate.