Politics

[Broin]

They knew it from the start and all but allowed it to happen.  They knew it was coming.  They knew it was not safe.  They had ZERO security for the ambassador.  The marines who died were not on his detail or even at his location.  They manned up on THIER OWN to try and get him out and protect him.  AND THEY ALL DIED BECAUSE OF OBAMAS WEAKNES AND INEPTNESS.  Then Obama and his pukes knowing this will eventually get out try to cover what really happened up and the LIBS/DEMS/AND MEDIA TRAITORS go along with it.

OUR. Guy was tortured on American soil then killed on American soil then drug through the streets and his body disfigured.  AND there is nothing from the media to call for an account... and far to many people care more about Romney telling the truth on something rather than the fucking president lying and  misleading to cover up his incompetence.

WAKE THE FUCK UP or you may find yourslf in the middle of some serious shit wondering why it is all hapening.... right before a great big scary empty darkness swallows you up

[Longboard]

So much for the liberal idea of Pro-choice. You can't buy a 17oz soft drink in NYC and even better only in 'selective' establishments.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/09/18/goodbye-big-gulps-in-mayor-bloombergs-new-york-hello-big-government/

Big Brother.. coming to your city soon.


Less government, less laws, more freedom!

+1 Mharz

[Longboard]

They knew it from the start and all but allowed it to happen.  They knew it was coming.  They knew it was not safe.  They had ZERO security for the ambassador.  The marines who died were not on his detail or even at his location.  They manned up on THIER OWN to try and get him out and protect him.  AND THEY ALL DIED BECAUSE OF OBAMAS WEAKNES AND INEPTNESS.  Then Obama and his pukes knowing this will eventually get out try to cover what really happened up and the LIBS/DEMS/AND MEDIA TRAITORS go along with it.

OUR. Guy was tortured on American soil then killed on American soil then drug through the streets and his body disfigured.  AND there is nothing from the media to call for an account... and far to many people care more about Romney telling the truth on something rather than the fucking president lying and  misleading to cover up his incompetence.

WAKE THE FUCK UP or you may find yourslf in the middle of some serious shit wondering why it is all hapening.... right before a great big scary empty darkness swallows you up

This one event pretty much did it for me. I had high hopes for Obama because I was happy to see a younger, technology inclined person in a place of leadership for America. I won't comment much about the Dem or Rep arguments, as a lot of them started many presidents back and will continue for many future presidents. Everyone that is posting is making good points, very thought provoking. I applaud you for your passion, in your beliefs!

Bottom line for me is this, If our president, "the leader of the free world" does not stand up for our people, like the events of this past 9/11, he has to go. It's no different then a father not standing by his son. To me, that was a BIG FUCK OFF to all Americans. Where the hell is our pride?

I really don't consider myself a Dem or Rep, I vote for who I like. Both parties have good and bad ideas. What we really need, is leadership that cares about Americans first. I have no problem with caring about the world and humanity but lets take care of our own people first. It starts at home. As of today, who is speaking for our dead in Libya and and for our people in Egypt?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/world/middleeast/assault-on-consulate-in-libya-a-terrorist-attack-white-house-says.html?_r=0 - Too little, too late!

[Da6onet]

I've been reading up on the Chicago Teacher's Union Strike and was thinking about this idea of evaluating teachers to determine if they're shitty or not. The saying "garbage in, garbage out" comes to my mind in response to judging a teacher on standardized test scores.

Here is a potentially more equitable solution.
If we are to truly gauge how effective a teacher is at teaching, we must establish a baseline for every individual student at their entry point into a school system and track progress throughout their primary and secondary education, even between districts and states. Basically, if a 5th grade teacher inherits a student reading at the 1st grade level, they should actually be commended if they can increase a student's proficiency beyond the 3rd grade level by end of the school year, punished if they cannot get the student to at least a 2nd grade reading level. These cutoffs are arbitrary and not backed by data, I am just using them as potential measures.

Of course the larger question I found myself grappling with:
Do we want primary and secondary education to try and bring along every single student or do we want it to be a zero-sum system with winners and losers?

I feel like we're asking too much of an American education system that was set up to give basic education to as many people as possible. Nobody wants to believe their kid is lazy or stupid (or both), at the same time, everyone wants their child to be in the gifted programs, taking AP and honors classes, getting into an Ivy League college etcetera etcetera. The reality is teachers get blamed far far to often for what is really the fault of the parents, the child, and to a larger extent the system that gives them little recourse for remediating the problems.

Charter schools in my mind seek the zero-sum model of education. If it robs a child of exposure to diversity, then that's the trade off for a tailored education. Alternatively, if we as a society can accept that we will always have a bottom 20%, then we should stop going on witch hunts against teachers when some kid fails.

If it weren't for the top 1% earners in America, you would see a pretty close correlation in income distribution and educational attainment, grades, test scores, etc.

That said, there is nothing wrong with wanting to shift the median continually further right, however, I disagree with this weakest link in the chain argument, that if we focus our efforts on bringing up the bottom, somehow that will benefit or incentivize those in the middle and top to do better. All it will do is narrow the bell curve.

If you want to blame the teachers for something, blame them for ludicrous pension plans.

[Lithium]

OUR. Guy was tortured on American soil then killed on American soil then drug through the streets and his body disfigured. AND there is nothing from the media to call for an account... and far to many people care more about Romney telling the truth on something rather than the fucking president lying and misleading to cover up his incompetence.

This part is very much true. The New York Times just 2 days ago (Sept. 20) didn't have a single story about the attack or a single story about Libya in the entire paper.

Also, Krauthammer had a good article out last week on the very situation in the Middle East: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-collapse-of-the-cairo-doctrine/2012/09/20/72fb7f62-035f-11e2-91e7-2962c74e7738_story.html

The collapse of the Middle East is very much related to our policy of appeasement which is only rivaled by that of Neville Chamberlain and FDR some 70+ years ago. We have our minds made that the people can settle the issues themselves, we have set timetables to leave and we have abandoned our only strongholds in the region. Meanwhile leaving many of our allies panicked and asking, 'why?'

I believe that the current situation is only more proof against those who believe America should not be involved in foreign interests. America has an obligation to bully the world... bully the world to accept the ideas of freedom. Do you think after WWII we just up and left Japan? Do you think we just up and left West Germany? Did we just up and leave South Korea? We know what happened to those places--they boomed and are pro-American. Yet, we up and left East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, North Korea and others.... we all know what happened in those places.

My point is that if we do not provide military presence around the world these little shit places power vacuum and very unfriendly people take over. It takes decades to change people. Just watch, because we didn't stay in Iraq long enough the fundamentalists will take charge and it will become once again a very unfriendly country.

Assimilate or Die.

[Lithium]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/24/obama-picks-view-over-foreign-policy/

You just can't make this shit up. You have a 'Hitler-esk' dictator spouting anti-semitic slurs and ranting about eliminating the Jews in NYC. Meanwhile hundreds of other heads of state are in New York, many of who want to speak to our leader and are concerned about the biggest terrorist attack since 9/11 and where is our president?!? On 'The View'.

[Tbone]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/24/obama-picks-view-over-foreign-policy/

You just can't make this shit up. You have a 'Hitler-esk' dictator spouting anti-semitic slurs and ranting about eliminating the Jews in NYC. Meanwhile hundreds of other heads of state are in New York, many of who want to speak to our leader and are concerned about the biggest terrorist attack since 9/11 and where is our president?!? On 'The View'.

Yeah, because the Secretary of State can't handle a foreign policy meeting :rolleyes:

The person who wrote that article was the Republican strategist for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Mike Huckabee. Please stop getting your "news" from Fox News. Shouldn't he be flying to Libya? Bombing Iran? Fortifying Israel? Why's he hanging out with his daughters when he has to be doing something else? It's an opinion article from someone trying to get Romney elected. Why didn't Romney fly to Libya after the consulate attack? Instead he used it to politically harass Obama! See, you can use any situation and say someone should be doing something else. Why am I responding to your post? Shouldn't I be doing my taxes??

[Lithium]

This really wasn't news. This was just a tid-bit (Obama goes on 'The View') for commentary. It's the same thing Colbert and Stewart do.

Understanding why it's ridiculous is the important part and the commentary summed it up perfect. So, yeah, your right. He is taking a play right out of Putin's playbook by playing proxy to the world which he has no interest in. His only interest right now is the election and the fear of losing power because of the 'promises' he has not kept. Had he done what he said he was going to do he'd be 20 points ahead. But, as everyone reminds him he can't run on his record, all that's left to run on is charm.

"You can't change Washington from the inside. You can only change it from the outside." - President Obama

[Broin]

The person who wrote that article was the Republican strategist for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Mike Huckabee. Please stop getting your "news" from Fox News. Shouldn't he be flying to Libya? Bombing Iran? Fortifying Israel? Why's he hanging out with his daughters when he has to be doing something else? It's an opinion article from someone trying to get Romney elected. Why didn't Romney fly to Libya after the consulate attack? Instead he used it to politically harass Obama! See, you can use any situation and say someone should be doing something else. Why am I responding to your post? Shouldn't I be doing my taxes??

Uh... You mean like all the hate they spit at Bush and our troops during the two elections he was in?  

Let me make this clear to you... Obama let those men die.  His incompetence is what lead to it.  

What you are eventually going to find out is these facts.

1) The Diplomats on the ground in Libya knew that shit was going bad
2) They reported their concerns back up the chain of command
3) Those reports were ignored
4) Increased security was denied because they were worried about how it would look
5) When the shit hit the fan that night White House/Secretary of Defense/Secretary of State were contacted by our Diplomat in counrty and advised that what they had warned would happen was happening
6) Since there was no true security for our diplomat in country the White House/Secretary of Defense/Secretary of State contacted the marines in country (who were tasked with other duties other than the diplomat) and asked them to attempt to get the diplomat.
7) They were advised of the situation
They were advised that they were outnumbered
9) They were advised they were outgunned
10) They were advised they would most likley not survive
11)  They went anyway
12)  They died
13) The diplomat died after being tortured
14) It was due to Obama's lack of understanding and incompetence


Oh and Fox news is a hell of alot better than CBS / ABC / NBC / MSNBC / CNN and all the other puke networks that are covering NOTHING about what is happening.  You think for one fuckin second if a Republican was in office they wouldn't of chewed them up and spit them out by now.  They are covering for Obama.  They are giving him a PASS on EVERYTHING...

AND YOU KNOW IT!!! YOU KNOW IT!  

Anyone who doesn't see that or doesn't admit that is a fuckin idiot who can't think for themselves but just accepts the spewed crap garbage they feed you.... AND DESERVES the Hell that you are going to get if they vote for that puke and he gets relected

[likwidtek]

[citation needed]

[Sared]

Broin, looks like we might be bringing in a new Sage DPSer next week...

[Subb]

*chuckle*

[Broin]

NICE SARED....

My only response....

[Sared]

Love you too old man. <3

[likwidtek]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57521680-38/feds-snoop-on-social-network-accounts-without-warrants/

Nothing to see here guys! Remember! Freedom isn't free! And hey, if you aren't a terrorist, you have nothing to hide right! Privacy is only a word that terrorists use to thwart the freedom machine.