bin Laden

[Adad]

Can I change my Order name to SEAL Team 6? Or DevGru, that sounds more Star Warsy...

[Ragnarok]

Can I change my Order name to SEAL Team 6? Or DevGru, that sounds more Star Warsy...

So you want to  be the United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group?

[Adad]

Yes.

[Ghisteslwchlohm]

I fully support my master's decision to change our order's title.

[Lits]

I agree with Fuse... people seem to have been celebrating the revenge, not the justice. I feel like he should have been brought back and forced to stand trial in international court. THAT is the American way, not assasination.

That is, of course, if the story is true at all. The conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this. I felt a little disloyal when I caught myself thinking "what if the whole thing is faked to improve Obama's approval rating with the swing voters just in time for the election campaigns to be gearins up?"

Also, I believe I've made my views on the actual powers behind 9/11 known to ya'll. So I also caught myself thnking "What if they knew all along where he was, was in bed with him, and just decided to kill him off right now because of the campaign timing?"

Honestly I don't know what to think.

[Ragnarok]

I agree with Fuse... people seem to have been celebrating the revenge, not the justice. I feel like he should have been brought back and forced to stand trial in international court. THAT is the American way, not assassination.

That is, of course, if the story is true at all. The conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this. I felt a little disloyal when I caught myself thinking "what if the whole thing is faked to improve Obama's approval rating with the swing voters just in time for the election campaigns to be gearins up?"

Also, I believe I've made my views on the actual powers behind 9/11 known to ya'll. So I also caught myself thnking "What if they knew all along where he was, was in bed with him, and just decided to kill him off right now because of the campaign timing?"

Honestly I don't know what to think.

First a raid is not an assassination. Also its not revenge its retribution.

Second why would they lie about this? If they and someone found out they would be in deep shit.

I doubt Osma would ever get in bed with us since he attacked Americans 2 other times besides 9/11. They had only been following the courier for 6 months and it takes time to make sure its the right target. It also takes time to prepare for the raid. DevGru had to have a prop mansion built to drill on.

[Lithium]

It's war and unfortunately people have become to sensitized to it. But, when bad people die, the good guys celebrate.

Any silly notion that this or the prior events were a 'conspiracy' or 'setup' is awe-shockingly insulting to anyone who has been injured, lost family/friends, or lost their own life, both civilian or military. Such thoughts are on the same pedestal as believing the holocaust never happened.

And lets face it, there is so much bureaucracy (not to mention leaks) inside the government that they could fuck up a cup of coffee... let alone pull off a 'mass conspiracy' which has no benefits for either side.

[Ragnarok]

It's war and unfortunately people have become to sensitized to it. But, when bad people die, the good guys celebrate.

Any silly notion that this or the prior events were a 'conspiracy' or 'setup' is awe-shockingly insulting to anyone who has been injured, lost family/friends, or lost their own life, both civilian or military. Such thoughts are on the same pedestal as believing the holocaust never happened.

And lets face it, there is so much bureaucracy (not to mention leaks) inside the government that they could fuck up a cup of coffee... let alone pull off a 'mass conspiracy' which has no benefits for either side.

/agree*1000

[Fuse]

If anyone would have killed off osama for their own media love fest, it would have been bush. That kills the "we worked with him" theory.

[Heironymus]

Although initially, I was so very happy that this man is dead; but it would have been much better to have bought him back to the US alive to deny him his martyr's death and let him die as an old man in a cell. Then he would know (with a few beatings from the guard) that his life was worthless.

Problem with holding him alive is that country is suddenly at great risk for terrorist ransoms. Let's be serious, even if we say we don't negotiate with terrorists that would not stop them for a second to try and secure his release. Much better dead. Also, burying him at sea was genius. It prevents a permanent grave site in which al quieda could "pilgrimage" to and such. I think it was handled well and obamas speech was good, even if you dislike him as a president. He didn't take undue credit, he stayed focused on how it was carried out and reminded everyone why we did it.

That being said, if I see one more copy/paste of the Facebook status update " just to clarify Obama did not kill osama bin laden, an American soldier did.. Blah blah blah" I am going to flip my sh*t. For the love of whatever you believe in. Do you honestly think that people are stupid enough tothink obama went over there with an ak47 and put a bullet in him? No. No one is that dumb. We know he authorized the strike and soldiers went in and did the job. For you to insult my intelligence by putting your obvious anti Obama statements on Facebook is literally going to drive me insane.
I know some of you are friends with me on Facebook an if you posted this already so be it. But seriously people. That's like your friend saying, I built a new house, and your response being, no you didn't. The contractor and his employees did. Really? Seriously?

[Arawn]

Lol at Heiro's rage.

Also I gotta say that I agree with Lits... I couldnt help it, and found myself thinking that they brought all this Bin Laden thing just to celebrate the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

[Da6onet]

Why is it that the majority of conspiracy theorists are people without a clearance?

Read that however you want to.

[Subb]

Why is it that the majority of conspiracy theorists are people without a clearance?

Read that however you want to.

Commies?

[Adad]

Haha, Dag. I am by no means a conspiracy theorist nor do I think any aspect of this whole thing is a lie or anything of the sort. I disagree with them, but I can see why, with absolutely no proof it is very difficult for some to believe our government at their word, for many reasons. (No images, dumping the body in the sea asap, the reasons make sense but can seem too convenient at the same time). Argue it all you want, but I want the photos and raid videos released to the public.

-We deserve to see it after everything he did to us.
-Our tax dollars aided this effort to get him for decades.
-If it's too gruesome for you, don't look at it.
-If you think it will spur retaliation and don't think our enemies are already pissed off without the visual proof, you're crazy.
-I want assurance it is done, and hopefully it silences the nay-sayers, though I know for some if not most of them, nothing will ever be enough proof unless they were there themselves when it went down.

On another note, though I did not vote for him and question many of his actions in many areas, I have to say I very much respect Obama for pulling the trigger (figuratively Heiro, lol) on this raid. He showed balls I did not expect him to have and for that I commend him. This needed to be done and it went down under his watch. But, he chose this route so there would be proof of bin Laden's demise and again I think the public deserves that proof too.

All that being said, I would love Broin's thoughts on the whole thing. I doubt he'll give them to us, but his insight would be very interesting to me. Even if you choose to talk to me about it in private.

[Da6onet]

To be honest, I am surprised by the amount of information already released, so who knows, they may release more images/footage due to momentum.