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[Subb]

*ding ding ding ding ding ding!* Round deux!

I've never seen the attraction of being a conservative voter (although in this country, they're definately going to be the next in power - but I'm still not going to vote for them) since the meaning of their movement (here, anyways) is to look back to the past and seperate all the social classes and give all the power to the upper and middle class.

Ever heard of the historic saying "Those who repeat history are doomed to failure"? In the long run, the conservative parties always lose their power then pop their heads back into the power struggle a decade or so after in order to get a slice of the power-hungry-pie. No one likes a government who doesn't change with the times - this is why most are ousted from power after a while or if the current party does a major fuck-up ala Thatcher (conservative) and Tony Blair/Gordon Brown (labour)over here.

I quite like Obama, he's a breath of fresh air after George-shoot-anything-wearing-a-turban-Bush. From what I read, didn't he do more in his first week than Bush did in two terms in office? *Shrug* Could be wrong.

I think in America, you're doomed if you do and doomed if you do. Hell, anywhere in the world with a democratic system is like that. It's the same with Obama's health reform with all the lies being flung around by the Republicans and Tv shows etc. which Obama later poo-pooed in congress before getting dubbed a 'liar' by a Republican, despite it being written clearly in the Reform papers. I'm talking about the 'Death Boards' to decide whether or not someone dies and if the new Medical system will help illegal immigrants.

I'm not saying that I understand your system at all (I don't) but I just don't get why everyone and their aunts now hate Obama...

[Fuse]

Extremists on both end of the party lines are harmful - and only truth should exist, but we're talking politicians in America. Each party is for things that they were against when the other side was suggesting them in the past - it's bullshit. Both parties need a complete overhaul.

As far as I know (not like I've read all the proposed bills) there is only one small mention of illegals in just one of the bills that does indeed say it will not cover illegals. Joe Wilson later explain that there is no mention of ways to confirm citizenship, therefore illegals will indeed be able to partake in a public option.

Considering the rampant fraud currently in the medical business, especially Medicaid, I will not be surprised if illegals get just as good of care as you or I.

[Fuse]

Not to get too far off subject, but take gay rights, for instance. Gays are a minority. If you leave something like that up to the majority, the majority's natural instinct is to protect themselves first, no matter how twisted that "defense mechanism" is. So in California, for instance, a majority voted against gay marriage (technically a reversal of prop . Were they thinking about the well-being of others? No. They were primarily concerned with their own agenda and defending their own marriage or religion or what have you. I believe the minority deserves the same rights and equality. I'm very sensitive to the "mob mentality". I've seen it many times...up close and in the news. That may be cynical, but there's truth to it.

I agree that gays should have every right that everyone else does - I don't care what you do with your junk or who you do it to - it simply doesn't affect me. I don't get that vote either. When you say mob mentality, it makes me think this healthcare deal is mob mentality. I suppose it just depends on which side of the line you sit. Now the mob are those who drop out of college, those who can't offer enough to society to earn enough to 'make them happy', or those who choose a lifestyle which may not include hard work, and those who would rather ask for something free. Even if I was broke (which considering I'm living paycheck to paycheck now, I'd say I'm pretty close) I still wouldn't expect free handouts from others - which is what I just don't understand. All people are not equal, do not contribute to society equally, everyone deserves to fail, and everyone should get what they work for. It may sound mean, but priority in life should be to secure the well being of family, then those around you. personally, I'd leave out the slackers who offer nothing. Criminals getting my donations? I don't think so. Illegal alliens getting my help? Nope. Drug users getting healthcare? Are you crazy?!

But of course, I'm not in politics (yet), so I guess you're all safe. =)

I've never seen the attraction of being a conservative voter (although in this country, they're definately going to be the next in power - but I'm still not going to vote for them) since the meaning of their movement (here, anyways) is to look back to the past and seperate all the social classes and give all the power to the upper and middle class.

Who thinks that? If I HAD to declare a party I suppose I'd be closest to a Libertarian, but I obviously have ties to conservative beleifs. I'm not sure who you're talking about but I rarely see a strive to separate social classes specifically. If anything, it's a strive to keep what you earn. Even the guy flipping burgers at Burger King should keep more of his dollar too. Lower classes are included in everything I speak about. Personally I would never try to separate people into classes, but I also will not mandate or support any law that punishes middle and high classes to support lower classes. Obama gave a speech to students last week saying it doesn't matter what your situation at home is, or where you come from - you can still suceed. It was his best speech yet, because he was right about everything. Purposly stopping the ability to change classes is wrong, but forcing someone to assist in a class change is also wrong. Those who are smart enough and willing enough make businesses, those who aren't (me) work for them. So what's wrong with the person who makes a shit-ton of money for delivering a good or service to people willing to pay money for it?

Also, a sidenote to try and get this OFF healthcare alone: Technically, we don't live in a democracy. Never have. This is why the group-think majorady rule mentality has taken over - because we're not taught the difference between a democracy and republic.
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[Manic Velocity]

[Fuse]

best-reply-ever.

[Da6onet]

I was going to write a post on the concept of survival of the fittest and make references to the movie Idiocracy, but that would be beating a dead horse.

In short, there are going to be winners and losers in life. If we're destined to become a nation of destitute, sickly and uneducated simpletons, it's because the rich, healthy, smart people were losers.

If history is any indicator of how these things work out, we're going to be fine, and the ones that don't make it will be too dead to care.

[Lits]

Dammit Tbone I love you. I'm seriously considering writing your name in for the next presidential election.
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And to answer Fuse's question I'm going to use an analogy:
Let's say you have two homeless men on a street corner. They are both dirty, smelly, missing teeth, possibly drug/alcohol addicted, and both obvious falling on really really hard times with no one to give them a hand up. Bum #1 is asking passers-by for change, and says that any little bit will help. Bum #2 is offering to wash your car windows for a donation of any amount.

Now obviously, we would feel more inclined to get our windows cleaned (even if they don't really need it) because we feel that here is a man who is doing the best he can with what he has, correct? And we'd like to support someone who is taking baby steps to help themselves.

But consider this: How much does that windex Bum #2 is holding cost? Where did he get the $3.40 to buy it? How much of a donation does he usually recieve? What if Bum #1 is asking for handouts so he can buy his own windex and then perform the same task?

The point is everyone is always doing the best they can at any given time. So how can we judge each other?

I give when I can, and when I need help, I'd like the same curtesy. If I'm sick and can't work how can I pay for the medicine to get better? I cant be a contributing member of society without my health. If you label that socialism, then what the hell ever. Call me a socialist. I feel it is the right course of action to provide Universal Health Care, as a basic human necessity. We provide free education, and as a result, our country is (mostly) no longer an illiterate mess run by a few elite. Countries that have neither free healthcare nor education are guess what? THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES.
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We must become better people to inspire others. We must stop thinking about only ourselves, our wants, our petty differences, and our mindset of "this is what my parents believed, so this is what I believe."

If we want to change the world, we have to start with ourselves.

[Fuse]

People do not do the best they can, that's been my point. You really think everyone is working at their highest potential? And I would never use our education system and a positive example of a government run system.

Again, we agree that those bums may need help, but ill be damned if uncle sam is going to run in front of my car and threaten me until I give them something.

People do need to start with themselves-also something I've been trying to say.
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[Lits]

You guys make me sick.

[Lits]

But I guess I still love ya'll

[Broin]

I'm only going to say this once... Do not get me fuckin' started

[Fuse]

You guys make me sick.

Thank god I make the money to pay your medical bill. =)

[Fuse]

...And I love you too hun.

[Da6onet]

I think we could all use some fried neckbones and some home fries...

[Phienyx]

A successful rancher died and left everything to his devoted wife. She was a very good-looking woman and determined to keep the ranch, but knew very little about ranching, so she decided to place an ad in the newspaper for a ranch hand. Two cowboys applied for the job. One was gay and the other a drunk. She thought long and hard about it, and when no one else applied she decided to hire the gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have him around the house than the drunk.
He proved to be a hard worker who put in long hours every day and knew a lot about ranching. For weeks, the two of them worked, and the ranch was doing very well.

Then one day, the rancher's widow said to the hired hand, 'You have done a really good job, and the ranch looks great You should go into town and kick up your heels.' The hired hand readily agreed and went into town one Saturday night.
One o'clock came, however, and he didn't return. Two o'clock and no hired hand. Finally he returned around two-thirty, and upon entering the room, he found the rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace with a glass of wine, waiting for him.

She quietly called him over to her. 'Unbutton my blouse and take it off,' she said.

Trembling, he did as she directed.

'Now take off my boots.' He did as she asked, ever so slowly.

'Now take off my stockings.'

He removed each gently and placed them neatly by her boots.

'Now take off my skirt.'

He slowly unbuttoned it, constantly watching her eyes in the fire light.

'Now take off my bra.'

Again, with trembling hands, he did as he was told and dropped it to the floor.

Then she looked at him and said, 'If you ever wear my clothes into town again, you're fired.'