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[Broin]

Indeed, it's time for a balanced approach with both spending cuts and tax revenue. Anything else is just a half-assed approach.

Don't take this the wrong way.... YOU ARE INSANE!!!!!


The Dems have not passed a budget for over 800 days.  

They had a super majority for over two years and could've passed any type of TAX REVENUE (TAX INCREASES) that they wanted to.  However, they did not. Want to know why?  Because they are to chicken shit to just do it without having Republicans in tow to blame for it or to say they were for it as well.

Balance my ass... How stupid is that.  Balance you got to be kidding me.  Do I really need to tally up all the spending, the bail outs, Stimulus one, Stimulus two, Obama Care, what the hell else is there.   How much more money can these fuckers spend and rack up in debt and you want to now say balance?

Seriously?!?

Balance would be now starting to balance the budget, cut spending, seriously cut not just keep it in check, CUT CUT CUT...  

You have no idea how many billlions we fuckin waste.... I do.  Trust me it is BILLIONS and BILLIONS A MONTH.  A MONTH!!!!

Please don't get me worked up like this again...

[Tbone]

Er, the bail out was the Republicans and George W (the first one, anyway). My point is that we can't afford to live in absolutes. Most of the GOP signed pledges to never raise taxes under ANY circumstance, so even when logic says to give a little to get a little, they refused to play ball.

Both parties are to blame for the inadequate behavior. The Dems conceded to a good bit of spending cuts for nothing other than the debt ceiling being raised again, which has happened every year for the past 17 years (or 17 times) without a fuss. Until both parties are willing to get off of their ideological high horse and work towards real compromise and real solutions, rather than playing some political chess game to see how fucked up they can make it seem the other side is making our country, we're not going to get anywhere.

Yes, I do think the Dems came out looking better because they were willing to put some sizeable cuts on the table while the Republicans refused to match that level of commitment to getting a handle on the debt via tax revenue, but the Dems should find a better way to get the Republicans to play ball.

To be honest, I think our currently political system is slowly poisoning the country. Re-election and raising personal funds take too high a priority over fixing problems and solving issues. When you have elected officials who are OK with the country defaulting because it will prove their point that they are the only ones who can fix it, there's a serious problem.

[Da6onet]

To be honest, I think our currently political system is slowly poisoning the country. Re-election and raising personal funds take too high a priority over fixing problems and solving issues. When you have elected officials who are OK with the country defaulting because it will prove their point that they are the only ones who can fix it, there's a serious problem.

qft

[Broin]

Er, the bail out was the Republicans and George W (the first one, anyway).

Dude if you need a chiropractor for that whiplash you're getting for always looking back I'm sure Obama can set you up.

Oh and we kicked a good amount of the RINO SOB's who voted for that shit out of office last go around.

And feel free to ignore the other things I pointed out showing the obscene amounts of money we have been spending on all kinds of entitlement progams, and other BS that the Dems and Obama said would keep us from having record high unemployment, or stock market failure, or any number of other things that they said would be fixed but weren't.

Both parties are to blame for the inadequate behavior. The Dems conceded to a good bit of spending cuts for nothing other than the debt ceiling being raised again, which has happened every year for the past 17 years (or 17 times) without a fuss.

It's not inadequate behavior, it is the insane amount of money going out.

The dems didn't concede to jack shit.  You do realize that no future congress can be bound by what is passed by a previous congress.  So despite the fact that they "claim" to have done spending cuts.  Those cuts are over the next 10 years or so.  At any point during that time period another congress can say fuck you to those and cancel them.  On the other hand though Obama gets to spend the increased amount on the debt ceiling now.  

And as to the debt ceiling being raised without a fuss before... Seriously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjnN_J6wPmk&feature=related

Oh crap I'm the Pres now so I gotta admit I'm a dumbass without saying I'm a dumbass.

...the Republicans refused to match that level of commitment to getting a handle on the debt via tax revenue,

The Republicans are the only ones who passed any bills out of the house to deal with the issues.  Once those bills went to the Senate the senate just tabled them and said fuck you.  We don't like these so fuck you.  The Dems in the Senate could've had up or down votes on the houses Cut Cap and Balance but they said fuck you.  

Hell I'm pretty sure there were at least two bills that came out of the house that the Senate Dems and Pres said fuck you to before the final bill was approved.

If the Dems wanted something a particular way then they should put it in writing and send it over to the other branch to be looked at but they are to chicken shit to do that because it pins them down on it.

It's a spending problem that we really have.  I mean for every american dollar that the goverment takes from an american citizen and spends on what they deem to be necessary, they turn around and borrow over .40cents from a foriegn country.

What is up with that?  That's like going up to your roomie and saying "Hey I know I only have 200 coming in this month, and I gotta pay rent, and utils, and food, which total 250.00 dollars, but I'm going to borrow another 75.00 from you to get this game at Best Buy I want.  Seriously?  (yeah I know you'd find it from that other friend named torrent)

The problem is you have two very divergent ideas going on.

One group of people thinks it is the goverments job to oversee the wellbeing and lifelihood of people and that is what defines the greatness of America.

The other group thinks it is individiaul freedom and personal responsiblity and individual exceptionalism that is the defining quality of the country.

Those two things don't work well together and never should.  

Peronsally I'm in the second group and I weep for you guys who haven't come around to realizing the folly of the 1st group.

[Saint]

Amen

[Manic Velocity]

The new receptionist in my office is hot.  

HOT.

[Saint]

{to manic) Wheres the proof? I want pictures

[likwidtek]

Why the hell aren't the republicans making as huge a stink about the jaw dropping amount of money being spent on the occupation of nearly every major country in the world.  Also, I've lost count of how many wars we're currently in.  3?  4?

That sure seems to be a giant amount of money being wasted right there, right?

And the Democrats could sure pull back on some of the programs that aren't really helping anyone.  We can retool the department of education for one.  No child left behind and these other idiot federal oversteps are just wasteful and aren't helping my child get a better education.

Democrats that say welfare reform is unneeded just aren't paying attention.  We need a safety net for our citizens but we sure as shit should not be encouraging people to enter the country illegally then proceed to live off of the welfare system.  Nor should we allow drug addicts and willfully unemployed to rely on it.  There needs to be a limit and very strict conditions placed on welfare.  For example, no welfare should be given to anyone who's not a citizen.  Period.  Drug tests should be mandatory.  Welfare offices and unemployment offices should be merged.  You should have to show proof of job searching to get your money.  

As far as raising revenue goes.  Look, I am 100% against new taxes.  BUT.  Until we're at a point where we can lower taxes for everyone, everyone sure as shit needs to be paying their fair percentage.  That includes the upper 3% of earners.  I don't count closing tax loopholes for the rich as raising taxes.  I also don't count pulling the tax cuts for the rich "raising taxes".  It's called... If we have to pay, you have to pay.  

The red verses blue crap is a sham created to distract you all from the truth.  I think this guy said it best:

[Fuse]

Broin, That was what I was going to say. With less expletives.
MV, proof or gtfo. thanks.

[Wind]

Parts of my town were set on fire last night. The rioting is getting more widespread, and the police have been too far stretched to respond with any decisiveness. It's so sad to see people's livelihoods go up in flames, knowing that even if the perpetrators get caught, they face a jail term that is nowhere near long enough, imo.

[likwidtek]

Get a batman costume and a shotgun.  Go hunting.

[Ketamininja]

Parts of my town were set on fire last night. The rioting is getting more widespread, and the police have been too far stretched to respond with any decisiveness. It's so sad to see people's livelihoods go up in flames, knowing that even if the perpetrators get caught, they face a jail term that is nowhere near long enough, imo.

Damn idiots, just joining in on the "fun"... they have no message to send. It's nothing to do with race, nothing to do with economics. They are just groups of youths causing trouble for fun. I think some kids are gonna get their asses kicked by police batons and riot shields tonight. The major rain tomorrow will probably keep 'em off the streets.

Kids have no respect in the UK these days, and this is the problem. Look at some pictures of the cops moving on the kids, and they try to antagonise the cops because they think they have "rights".

Hope you stay cool where you are.
I don't think it's gonna spread up to Scotland... we are too busy drinking...

[Wind]

Parts of my town were set on fire last night. The rioting is getting more widespread, and the police have been too far stretched to respond with any decisiveness. It's so sad to see people's livelihoods go up in flames, knowing that even if the perpetrators get caught, they face a jail term that is nowhere near long enough, imo.

Damn idiots, just joining in on the "fun"... they have no message to send. It's nothing to do with race, nothing to do with economics. They are just groups of youths causing trouble for fun. I think some kids are gonna get their asses kicked by police batons and riot shields tonight. The major rain tomorrow will probably keep 'em off the streets.

It does peeve me that somehow the government and police get blamed by some groups. There is no justification or reasoning for what is going on, other than they're all low-life scum. Why bother with a facade of economic, political or racial motivation, when they've got no f***ing idea about any of it?

I've seen an interview with a looter that goes something like "We just showing the gov'ment what we can do if we want, them conservatives or whatever they are." Dumb, ignorant, thieving, greedy, scum. And these actions prove no different.

[Subb]

Parts of my town were set on fire last night. The rioting is getting more widespread, and the police have been too far stretched to respond with any decisiveness. It's so sad to see people's livelihoods go up in flames, knowing that even if the perpetrators get caught, they face a jail term that is nowhere near long enough, imo.

Damn idiots, just joining in on the "fun"... they have no message to send. It's nothing to do with race, nothing to do with economics. They are just groups of youths causing trouble for fun. I think some kids are gonna get their asses kicked by police batons and riot shields tonight. The major rain tomorrow will probably keep 'em off the streets.

It does peeve me that somehow the government and police get blamed by some groups. There is no justification or reasoning for what is going on, other than they're all low-life scum. Why bother with a facade of economic, political or racial motivation, when they've got no f***ing idea about any of it?

I've seen an interview with a looter that goes something like "We just showing the gov'ment what we can do if we want, them conservatives or whatever they are." Dumb, ignorant, thieving, greedy, scum. And these actions prove no different.

If they gave me charge of the riot police, I'd have water canons and baton/rubber rounds loaded in a flash. I hope a few of the rioters are eating through tubes for the rest of their lives by the night is out.

[Da6onet]

The problem is you have two very divergent ideas going on.

One group of people thinks it is the goverments job to oversee the wellbeing and lifelihood of people and that is what defines the greatness of America.

The other group thinks it is individiaul freedom and personal responsiblity and individual exceptionalism that is the defining quality of the country.

Those two things don't work well together and never should.  

Peronsally I'm in the second group and I weep for you guys who haven't come around to realizing the folly of the 1st group.

I always looked at the two by first understanding that in practice laissez-faire social darwinism simply doesn't work and that "imposed" social darwinism creates a pretty awful society. So what are we left with? Well, the main reason social darwinism doesn't work is that humans, perhaps because of our higher intelligence, self-awareness, etc. seem to create more second chances to better ourselves than animals, regardless of whether you have a social welfare program in place. We also know however, that people endlessly screw up until they don't, so that if you do help them, they could just screw up again and again until either you are dead or they are. The idea of dysgenics comes to mind given our current world population, but then I am reminded that even in large "inferior" populations you do still end up with some good ones. Likewise, even in "superior" populations you still can end up with bad ones. Nature vs nurture, that whole argument, blah blah blah. The way I see it, if history has taught us anything, it is that given enough time, society is self-correcting, by that I mean you have coups, unions, civil rights laws, regulations, etc. I personally call it punishment for lack of foresight. So what should we do? Hell if I know, all I know is that social welfare is a money pit because of the paradox of screw ups as stated earlier. But we also shouldn't "let it be" either, as I believe that you can't run a factory or grow food without workers, and if they're all dead, what good is the lawyer going to be?