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[Fuse]

Two completely different things, Cory. No one should be forced to pray in school - but there should be no law to keep someone from praying in school either. No teacher ever forced a class to pray out loud to God - if they did it would be just as wrong. If a kid decides on thier own to sing a song about Obama, so be it - but to have it taught by the teacher is wrong. I agree it probably isn't anyone directly in the gov doing this - actually the teacher went to school with the big O. It is innappropriate no matter who decided to do it. And this is for any president, not just our current one.

[Tbone]

Right, but you can't use this as evidence that Obama is trying to be just like Hitler and is using child-like songs to put the idea into people's minds that he is God. People seem to be using this as a springboard to say "Oh no...the Obama administration is one step closer to making us Nazi Germany".

Some schools in Texas refused to show Obama's speech in school and instead bussed all the kids to go hear W speak. That isn't right, but I wouldn't blame that on Bush.

We're in agreement that it is inappropriate (the song eerily uses a line from a song about Jesus). My point is that it is the teachers/school's fault and that this sort of stuff happens frequently on both sides of the fence. I just don't like it when people take stuff out of context to try to prove a different point that has nothing to do with the original context of the material.

[Fuse]

...and I don't like it when people read things and then assume the writer meant something else. I never said Obama is like Hitler or lil'Kim - except mockingly to whoever wrote the lyrics. I alluded to the fact that this shit happened in Germany and is happening in North Korea now to back up my point that controlling the perception of children is an amazing tool used by corrupt governments in the world; but put no blame on him/his administration unless proof comes out there is a connection. In fact I specifically said the school should be ashamed of themselves.

Can we makeup and spoon now, T? =)

[Tbone]

Yeah, I was less referencing you and more referencing a lot of other people I saw commenting on the video when I found it.

Spoon? Bitch, put your clothes back on and go home already! Hah!

[Subb]

Hanz Bwikx? Awww Nawww

[Manic Velocity]

I think the pledge of allegiance should be mandatory in all schools.  It's important for kids to understand the significance of what our flag represents, and we should teach them to pledge their total allegiance to it.  Hopefully if we get them while they're young, in a few years we'll have a country of people who are united by their allegiance, and who aren't constantly bickering with eachother.  And if a child doesn't want to recite the pledge while gesturing with their right hand, they can sit in a corner of the room and place their hands over their ears.

[Jeyk]

Impressive.

[Manic Velocity]

Mind = Blown

[Broin]

I think the pledge of allegiance should be mandatory in all schools.  It's important for kids to understand the significance of what our flag represents, and we should teach them to pledge their total allegiance to it.  Hopefully if we get them while they're young, in a few years we'll have a country of people who are united by their allegiance, and who aren't constantly bickering with eachother.  And if a child doesn't want to recite the pledge while gesturing with their right hand, they can sit in a corner of the room and place their hands over their ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPbIls0iOnI

So many have forgotten or have never learned... It truley makes me feel sad for you when I think of it.

[Fuse]

I'm watching the matrix on A&E and thought 'oh man, I need to jump in game!'

[Manic Velocity]

I think the pledge of allegiance should be mandatory in all schools.  It's important for kids to understand the significance of what our flag represents, and we should teach them to pledge their total allegiance to it.  Hopefully if we get them while they're young, in a few years we'll have a country of people who are united by their allegiance, and who aren't constantly bickering with eachother.  And if a child doesn't want to recite the pledge while gesturing with their right hand, they can sit in a corner of the room and place their hands over their ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPbIls0iOnI

So many have forgotten or have never learned... It truley makes me feel sad for you when I think of it.

The point I was trying to make was that, while I do think every American citizen should be taught the pledge and should know it by heart, I think making the pledge mandatory in any situation (I only used schools as an example) goes against what the pledge and our flag symbolize.  As an American citizen, I have the right to not recite the pledge.

What's wrong with a bunch of kids singing about their president?  Nothing, as long as it is made clear beforehand that it wasn't mandatory.

[Jeyk]

USF > FSU

[Da6onet]

USF > FSU

SF49ers > all

[Lits]

The problem with the pledge is that when I was a kid, and was made to recite it, I had no idea what it was. I was just saying something. I had no idea that I was literally "pledging my allegiance" or the significance of that. It was just something the teacher made us do. I didn't know that I had an option to ally myself with something. It was meaningless in the mind of a child. Although I'm not sure what the option would be otherwise as far as indoctrinating children to  a way of being (and I hate "training" children to choose the same choices we chose, by the way).

I haven't said the pledge of allegiance in years, but I should next time I get a chance, and actually take stock of what I'm saying, and actually mean it for the first time in my life.



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PS... I just finished the series finale of Battlestar Galactica... WTFuF?!!?!

[Lits]

I formally nominate the vote that BSG is officially the best show ever fracking created.

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