League of Legends

[Kassandra]

so someone has been a bit inactive around here, lot of stuff going on, so just read up on this thread, and wow I so disagree with your list of useless champions

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from the lists I get the feeling that you go from how you've seen people play the champions instead of their actual potential
The best example I have is when I used to solo queue and I got raged at every single game I chose Soraka, because she "suck", usually ending up in a handful of new friend requests after game due to me convincing them that Soraka is nowhere near useless - I usually laugh when I hear people say she is, Ive proven so many times that she isnt and Ive got several friends that has the same (we call it Proraka)

Ill just put my two cents in on some of the other champions listed

The only champions I might agree to being a bit weak is lee xin and kayle, but then  again I have still to find people in my crowd that plays them well - because that's what it comes down to, I dont believe in saying a champion is weak and useless just because I havent seen them well played - and after almost 2500 played games half of those in a decent premade elo Ive seen quite a bit
And believe me if someone like me was the only one youve seen play someone like, shen, rammus, cho, morde etc you'd find them pretty useless too


The champions Im most surprised to see on you guys lists is Irelia, Karthus, Soraka, Caitlyn, Mundo, Ezreal, GP, Xin, Maokai, Malphite, Nasus - you've actually got some of my favorite champions amongst these, lol
I could go into a long walkthrough all the champions but I wont for now - too tired - just wanted to state that you guys should be careful to dismiss a champion as useless just because you havent come across a good one

oh and Da6 <3 you for all your theory crafting, been very interesting to read

[Da6onet]

I am definitely biased by how I see other people play those characters rather than on what the characters themselves can do.

That said, I also lump people into roles and compare within that role- such as Caitlyn, who I would put in the same ranged ad category as ashe, corki, sivir. Granted each of those have different tools for different jobs, but overall, caitlyn I feel just doesn't bring enough of anything to the late game. Sure you can build her to have high attack speed and damage, but you can do the same for ashe who has more utility with a stun arrow and bigger aoe slow. The traps don't reveal surrounding area, so they aren't as good for map control as say teemo's shrooms. Lastly her ult is a single target nuke that can be blocked by another champ, limiting her utility as a true sniper in team fights.

In other news, I have mathematically optimized damage output for several tanky Ryze builds from 6000ehp to 9000ehp vs people with 100 to 200 MR. If anyone is interested... :-D

[Arawn]

/agree with Dag

[Da6onet]

Check out the patch notes-sorry Setun, they messed up your Jarvan :-(
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=730569

I'm a big fan of the new Wit's End, I love me some magic damage mitigation, yes I do!

With the changes to Catalyst/RoA it'll be interesting to see if any more Ryze's stack them mid game.

[Arawn]

I have to agree i don't like the new Wits :S I loved removing their mana... Also they nerfed Karthus T_T and just for that imma make him my main again

[Da6onet]

I have to agree I don't like the new Wits :S I loved removing their mana... Also they nerfed Karthus T_T and just for that imma make him my main again

The old wit's end was an anti-tank item though, not an anti-mage, which is what I was using it for. It would take someone 40 seconds at capped (2.5) attack speed to drain my Ryze. Someone will die long before that happens. That and Warwick used to piss me off when I played as Rammus with wit's end, now I don't have to worry :-D

[Arawn]

hmm... that is if they found you with full mp... you'll hardly find anyone at full mp unless they just came out of base...  anyways... i gotta say that wits end helped me alot... i cant really count the number of times ppl just stood there trying to cast when they were oom... i gotta say i found myself in that situation also a couple of times...

[Da6onet]

So I was thinking of posting more theorycrafted champs, but I decided it would be easier to direct any curious people here.

Feel free to bookmark it, http://leaguecraft.com/users/da6onet/builds

I know leaguecraft builds aren't the best way to explain everything, but it's the most user friendly in my opinion and allows me to show you the quick and dirty.

-Known calculation errors (p-dancer move speed, amumu dot ratio, most passives not taken into account like ryze's q or garen's w, doesn't take into account abilities stacks like feast-my AP cho has an EHP ~10000, masteries like archaic knowledge, etc.)

-Doesn't show you build order, summoner spells nor does it talk about playstyle with that build.

If you have questions about any of my builds or suggestions please feel free to pm me or catch me on TS or LoL.

For now I'm only posting builds I consider viable (read-tested thoroughly).

[Arawn]

Mobafire.com is better... take a look into that Dag.

[Da6onet]

I'll take a look at it tomorrow. The main thing I want to be able to do is keep the builds private/protected. I'd rather not have someone else outside FA & friends seeing them, lest I have to face against another 600AP Amumu with tank stats :-p

EDIT: You can access full build guides at Mobafire now. In order to keep it just between us FA I'm posting the login ID and password for my profile (as opposed to publishing the builds for public use).
site: www.mobafire.com
login: da6onet
password: furiousangels

Just go under my profile->builds and you'll see them (only have 1 done so far).

I do not have the graphics in yet, just the text. Feel free to add pretty pictures if you want.

[Da6onet]

I've posted a guide to using the "unrealistic" or "troll" Ashe build. I'm not sure it would work in ranked games due to it's high cost and glass cannon nature, but it is quite hilarious vs unsuspecting foes in normal games.

If you're familiar with my previous 8 second TDR usage in other builds, this one has a rating of 17,794.

And yes, you can solo baron with it :-)

www.mobafire.com
login: da6onet
pwd: furiousangels

Build Name:
Ashe - How to piss in someone's Cheerios.

[Da6onet]

Because I'm a stat whore, here are two of my builds built for extreme late game (6 items, baron's, elixirs). And yes, these were in a custom game, and yes, I solo'd baron with each.

Ashe (don't have all my attack speed runes yet)


Amumu

[Arawn]

Ok you are taking this game way to seriously... I keep my hardcore limit to just faceraping in-game and trying to change and adapt my strategy while mid-game.... You go customs for test-and-errors...

Dont get me wrong... I love reading your posts, they just roxx... I guess im just amazed cause I dont think ill do all that for this game...

[ArchNemesis]

I prefer testing in actual matches.  I've found a hybrid build that I'm still testing with shen that keeps him tanky but gives a  nice boost to his utility.

[Da6onet]

I prefer testing in actual matches.  I've found a hybrid build that I'm still testing with shen that keeps him tanky but gives a  nice boost to his utility.

Those are builds I use in matches, I just wanted to have a record of what stats I'm aiming for (since leaguecraft and mobafire are inaccurate) so that if a game goes long enough I know what my capabilities are rather than trying take screenshots while fighting.

Sadly I cannot solo Baron with any of my other builds, but maybe some game I'll take a screenshot of more sexy stats.