Columbus Day Approacheth

[Fuse]

Don't you live in the U.S.? We have freedoms with all of these things. Hell, even your shots at insurance don't hold up. The government is trying to provide you with more options.

If anything, I'd say your post sounds like a liberal rant. Sounds like you're saying you should be allowed to marry who you choose (so pro gay marriage?) and how many children you should have (so pro choice?). Interesting...

I think you missed the tone of his rant. Put question marks on the end of all of those.

[Fuse]

The government is trying to provide you with more options.

I think this is just one of the main reasons liberals and conservatives won't have much basis for agreement - Concervatives don't think it's the governments job to provide options because that costs everyone money and they've never once done a good job at it.

Name one government program that didn't go over budget and/or become a complete clusterfuck?

We have differing opinions on what the governments job should be. Liberals want them to have more control and say in everyday life, conservatives want a true free market owned by the people. Liberals seem to think we work for the government, conservatives seem to think the government should work for us. *shrug*

[Lithium]

Don't you live in the U.S.? We have freedoms with all of these things. Hell, even your shots at insurance don't hold up. The government is trying to provide you with more options.

If anything, I'd say your post sounds like a liberal rant. Sounds like you're saying you should be allowed to marry who you choose (so pro gay marriage?) and how many children you should have (so pro choice?). Interesting...

Yup, we do have those freedoms. And it isn't because of the liberals. That list is what the liberals are trying to make the government do.

I don't want a choice from the government! Because regardless if I take that choice or not I am paying for it!

Honestly, you only bring up only the religious topics. But here is my take.

The gays want to marry for the tax breaks and the children. I don't think gays have a right to a child of their own. Much in the same way drug dealers, sex predators, and child abusers don't have the right to children. You can only imagine how fucked up the child will be when he enters school and tells his friends he has two dads. No child should have to grow up with that. We have enough children who grow up in a terrible situations, we don't need more. And if they want to marry, fine get hitched, but there is nothing to gain from it except court fees and half your income when you split.

I'm mixed when it comes to abortion. I think it's selfish to abort a child. I also think it's selfish to end up in a situation where you need an abortion because of your own stupidity (minus a sex crime, obviously). You made poor choices and now society will have to take on the burden of raising YOUR child. It is unfair to those who have a child in good faith and had the financial insight to support the child.

None of my opinions are based on religion, because I don't particularly agree with the Christian 'values push' of the Republicans. But hey, thanks for trying to start a debate on the 'religious hot topics.'

[Fuse]

Homosexuals have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us married folks. They also have the right to be arrested when they streak down the streets of Chicago for the Pride Parade like I would durring the St.Patricks parade. Like most minorities, they want better/different/more rights instead of equal rights.

[Subb]

The gays want to marry for the tax breaks and the children. I don't think gays have a right to a child of their own. Much in the same way drug dealers, sex predators, and child abusers don't have the right to children. You can only imagine how fucked up the child will be when he enters school and tells his friends he has two dads. No child should have to grow up with that. We have enough children who grow up in a terrible situations, we don't need more. And if they want to marry, fine get hitched, but there is nothing to gain from it except court fees and half your income when you split.

How narrow minded on you? Gay people can raise children as good as any straight couple/single parent - I know a gay couple who have fostered a friend of mine for several years and he now thinks they're basicly his parents. Sure, they'll get bullied for having two dads/moms - but most children won't understand it and those who bully are absolute cunts. You're putting gays in the same class as sexual predators, drug dealers and child abusers? Heh - that's sick. And marriage? Ever heard of a thing called Love? Maybe they want to show each other that; not all marriages end in divorce. *end rant*

[Lithium]

Can a gay couple produce a child without adopting? In case they don't teach the birds and the bees anymore, the answer is no. They choose to live that lifestyle, and when you live that lifestyle you can't make a child so why should you get a child?

Let's use an analogy. You're a dumbass skateboarder who thinks you can ride the rail but instead you slide off the board and break you're balls on the rail and lose the ability to make a child. Because you were a dumbass you lose the ability to ever make a child, so why should you get a child?

Adoption should be reserved for parents who are capable of producing children and/or would be capable of producing children if not for some sort of natural reproduction problem. And don't get me started about people who adopt solely for the money... it's disgusting.

[Fuse]

I do have some issues with gay parents, but not to the point or keeping them from adopting. Your opinion is that if you physically can not have children, you don't deserve them? It hought you were against outside control of of your life? Let them do as they please unless it hurts the kid.

[Broin]

I'm a strong proponent of natural selection.... Was at a tournament some years ago and noticed some delinquent child walking across this cement halfwall.  One side had a huge drop off down some stair, about 20 feet or so....  Could just tell by the looks of him that the kid never had a chance in life.  Then I saw his parents standing across the way watching him and then I knew it would've been better for him if he fell.  

Never did though... Pitty.

All in jest of course... Well maybe most of it  :p

[Lithium]

It hought you were against outside control of of your life?

I never said all outside control of life.

If that were the case you could rape, steal, murder, and pillage. I don't think that would work out.

I said, the government should be a framework. And that framework should include the basic laws to protect life and the safety of law abiding citizens. This includes protecting children from delinquent parents.

[Fuse]

Raping, stealing, murder, and pillaging affects other people negatively all the time though - I fail to see how a same sex couple affects anyone other than their family, and it's not always in a negative way.

[Lits]

Someone once put it to me as this: "with all the hate and violence in the world, what's wrong with two people loving each other?"


And as far as 'not being capable of reproducing deems you unfit to have a child'... if that were so nearly ALL adoptions would never happen, as even straight couples sometimes can't have a child. So there would be that many more children in foster care and wards of the state (aka YOU paying for them, to use your own motives).

[Lithium]

Adoption should be reserved for parents who are capable of producing children and/or would be capable of producing children if not for some sort of natural reproduction problem.

Yeah, I addressed that issue in my earlier post.

But hey, maybe someday evolution will decide if gays should have children!

[Manic Velocity]

The gays want to marry for the tax breaks and the children. I don't think gays have a right to a child of their own. Much in the same way drug dealers, sex predators, and child abusers don't have the right to children. You can only imagine how fucked up the child will be when he enters school and tells his friends he has two dads. No child should have to grow up with that. We have enough children who grow up in a terrible situations, we don't need more.

I know what you mean.  I feel sorry for the kids who have to grow up with the shame of having one black parent and one white parent.  How fucking humiliating.  No child should have to grow up with that.

Seriously, did I miss something or aren't we living in the 21st century?  The only reason a kid would be ashamed to say they have gay parents is because of this very mindset that perpetuates the notion that it's something to be ashamed of in the first place.  What if the kid's friend doesn't give a shit if his parents are gay or straight?  What if the whole school doesn't give a shit?  Who does it hurt?

And I don't know what legal text you've been reading, but drug dealers, sexual predators and child abusers all have the right to have kids.  Unfortunately, many of them often do.  I guess we should just start testing children for certain criminalized neurological patterns at birth, and castrating them right then and there.  Who knows what kind of monsters they might grow up to be?

[Manic Velocity]

Happy Columbus Day everyone!

[Fuse]

I had to work yesterday and don't get today off. I'm also very busy with a crapload of broken stuff here.

Screw you Columbus.