DOOM III

[Anonymous]

Well plus, it's pretty fucking lame to not pay for a game somebody's worked 5 years on to create. They've already lost like 2.5 million dollars because of this, and the game's only been out a couple days.

I don't really give a shit about downloading songs and that sort of stuff online, or old games or even movies, but you're a pretty fucking low form of life if you cheat your way into playing DOOM III or anything else so new.

But maybe I just respect the work people put into shit more than most.

Even though I'm the newbie that might not pass the trial period guys, I think this is a perfect example why you shouldnt talk about such things.

[Anonymous]

doom 3 is great.  As for paying for it, nope, guess i'm a low form of life.

The gaming companies rival the movie industry now, saying you don't care if people download movies or music, but think they suck for downloading games is ignorant.

[Anonymous]

The Music industry isn't being seriously hurt at all by music being downloaded. I mean yeah, they're losing money, but a lot of good has come out of it. CD prices have been lowered from the ridiculous 20 dollars or so to about 13 dollars, much more reasonable. And besides that, musicians still get money from photoshoots for magazines, TV interviews, concerts, all that stuff.

Same thing for movies too, except instead of concerts you have the theaters. Plus movie downloads aren't as popular as music downloads.

Game downloads though, nearly all of their revenue comes from people buying the game. So you're seriously impeding on their sales, and dishonoring all of the work they've done on it. You'll never see a video game designer on the cover of Entertainment Weekly.

It just comes down to respect. People who respect the hard work of others will pay for the product. The people who get it illegally are dishonorable, and not only do they disrespect the hard work that has gone into making the product, but they show something very negative about themselves. These people deserve absolutely no respect, from anyone. Period.

And for the record, my claim about the contrast between movies and music and games is not ignorant. It's well thought out, and aside from that, just because I'm less offended by people downloading music and movies, doesn't mean that I do it myself. As far as movies go, I've downloaded BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE, and aside from that, I downloaded the first LORD OF THE RINGS movie, and I ended up buying it anyway. Both actually, the two and four disc sets (*loves LotR*).

And as far as music goes, I have a fair share of MP3's, but the CD's that I feel are worth buying, I buy. 95% of the rest of the music I have are singles that were released on the radio or had an MTV video made of it at one point in time or another, so I don't really see much of a difference between downloading that off of the internet, or recording a tape of it from the radio.

And when you announce that you are a low form of life, and you shrug it off like it's something to be proud of, you only dishonor yourself more.

I don't really want to get into an argument here, so I'll leave it at that, I just felt it was worth elaborating on, now that I have the time to elaborate.

Honor is a very important thing. Perhaps I'm part Samurai or Klingon or something, but those without it deserve absolutely no respect, from anybody, ever.

[Anonymous]

Tyshalle you constantly say that you don't want to get into an arguement, but you say that either at the beginning of you post, and then continue on with your reasons, and namecalling, or you do your reasons and namecalling first then you end up by saying, "Oh not to get in an arguement or anything." It's really a contradiction, and it can get to be annoying. However, I also don't wish to get in an arguement, but just show an alternative view.

We all know that the music industry is not being that hurt from msuic downloading. Yes cd sales have come down, but even so it's not like the record comapnies are losing much money. It's pretty much common knowledge that the labels get around 95% of all the cd sales revenue, while the artists make their money touring and merchandising their names, clothes, sneakers, etc etc. This is also why you don't see many artists hollering out, but the record companies doing so. Obviously when Metalicca rebelled or started letting lose on the subject they were being pawns of their record labels. In any effect I've heard the Metalicca has lost the flare that they once had when they were young, and have become all about the money. Ehh whatever floats your boat I guess.

The major age market for the group buying cds are 11-18. This ironically is also the age market that does the most downloading. The nature of a teenager is to be a rebel. Trying to sue 12 year old girls isn't going to ellict much sympathy from people who are already shifty when it came to d/l. They were dumb anyway, when they brought it to the media spotlight they let millions more teens know the joy and fun of downloading from the net that they never knew before.


As for movies, it really comes down to whether they think their audience is stupid. They have a group of low-paid workers to do a tv ad about how downloading stops them from getting work. The people who do all of the setting up in the back, i.e. lighting, make-up etc, don't get paid from any of the movie products anyway. They're paid and if the film's successful, they don't get any bonus except to say that they were apart of making that movie a success. People also have a hard time trying to sympathize with big-time movie production companies who make hundreds of millions of dollars, and actors that makes millions.  - Doesn't really matter.


As for software, people have been sharing and trading, downloading and uploading since the early 80's man. Do you think that they do not plan for this when they release the game? The software industry has lived with this for 20 years, and they're making more money then the movie industry. They may have lost $2.5 million for people d/l the game, but recognize that people are going to go out and BUY the game because as some people brought up here, they can't play multiplayer. Now I'm not sure if you have to pay for it monthly when you play online, but if so, they're going to make that and a hell of a lot more in a couple of months. Many MANY games are put into P2P trading software so that they can get people to BUY the game. You can d/l version one, but end up buying versions 2-10 later. Besides users are getting satisfied with the full demos that manufactuers offer for free now.

The solution? Follow the ways of the software industry young grasshopper. The music and movie industry has to somehow capitalize off of this. And it's not really hard! Find out why people download what they download, and find a way to make money off of it. People download music because they are able to hear whatever sort of music that they want to: reggae...jazz....classical...country....rap.....r&b...hip-hop - whatever! A few years ago MP3.com was one of the best places to listen to new and upcoming albeit unsigned artists who wanted to promote their music. You knw what happened? Universal records bought it, and sold it off...HOW STUPID! They could have kept it, and charged either a monthly fee, or a low yearly fee. Unsigned artists are finding P2P software the way of getting their music out there, the cheapest and largest viable way of promoting themselves.

As for movies...wtf? What do we go to movies to do? Sleep for 2 hours and wake up and say that it was a good rest? The only thing stopping the movie industry from going into total panic is that most movie downloads are of terrible wuality. But with the way technology is progressing, they're fearing that it'll come to the point where it'll match the experience of going to the movies. "OK everyone, let's huddle round the computer monitor for some family fun watching Finding Nemo: Again." <---Funny, but this is what it's going to come to unless they find something to keep the customer's interest. Where's the 3D, the interactivity, the....defined vision....the whatever the hell it is that makes people go daaaaaamn that was a tight experience. They have to come up with something soon that's going to be able to be duplicated by a computer screen. They'd be barely able to sell dvds if it wasn't for the extra features - some of which, this is just me here, can be really boring.

I say all this to say that the people who download are not dishonorable. You say that you d/l music singles, but you also buy the cd, what difference is that if I was to download Doom 3, then to go out and buy it? Not much of one. As for Crimson_Optix, who I know to be outstandingly inteligent, and remarkble with memory, is not a low form of life at any cost. I would say he was saying it in sarcasm, but that's just my opinion.

In MxO I'm also a fan of honor, as anyone who's read some of my posts will see that I've mentioned it quite a bit, but I don't go around calling people lowlifes and that they don't deserve respect. Samurai and Klingons are two very different aspects of honor. Samurai didn't insult their enemies, as in fuckhead, immature 13 year old, lowlife, retard etc etc just to name a few, and if they did they would apologize. Rather then the Klingon who would openly insult and belittle their opponents. In conclusion honor, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. People get honor from different things. Who are you, or we, to say that one person is dishonorable, when we judge from our standards and regulations of honor?

[Anonymous]

Very good post Eclipse, and Tyshalle, I would say your more of a Klingon than Samurai.Do not forget though, that is just my opinion.

[Anonymous]

klingon? thats that stupid thing from star trek right? welli would have to agree with elcipse on this one especially sense i have downloaded a lot of games on a trial basis . and i will tell you 99% of he games i download i go out and buy several weeks later.oh and eclipse there are ways to downlaod movies burn them to disks and watch them on dvd players or your dreamcast for those of us who have one still and in that case its call a vcd.

[Tbone]

I think you need to free your mind a little, Tyshalle.

"I don't really give a shit if you have your own opinion on things, but you're a pretty fucking low form of life if you're always bitching about others' opinions. But maybe I just respect other people's opinions more than most."

As you can see, it's not really WHAT you say but HOW you say it.

And as for others, my dad used to tell me this: "Don't escalate the confrontation."

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