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General / Re: Superluminal (a question)
« on: June 01, 2014, 09:04:41 pm »
Light from an object can be look redder or bluer depending on it's radial velocity. Light from Andromeda is blue shifted because it's head straight for us! Of course we're talking nanometer range shifts, but they are measurable to a high degree of accuracy.

Noted. The Doppler effect never sleeps. Pardon my slowness, I still don't see the connection. Correct me if I'm wrong: Depending on our relative positions on our respective orbits, Pluto gets nearer us sometimes, and tries to distance itself from our petty affairs at other times; it's like a drunken girl who can't make up her mind whether she should get into the guy's car and get it over with already, or go back to the bar and have a few more. However, neither action is fast enough to involve Herr Doppler.

2. Regarding your (both informative and entertaining) point 2: do we see APPARENT and ACTUAL movement as two separate phenomena? In other words, as far as the relative velocities of two objects within one inertial frame of reference are concerned, is Relativity in any way affected by the fact that PERCEIVED motion (light playing tricks on us) and ACTUAL motion are different? ... Cause (yeah, you guessed it) I still don't get it.

I mean, I believe (again, correct me if I'm wrong) it's a KNOWN and MEASURABLE fact that Pluto's gravity does affect Earth, and vice versa. So in some degree we ARE looking at a single ... uh ... indivisible ... inertial frame of reference. Or what? ...

Broin: Would this be a good time and place to talk about the varying speed of light in relationship to time and gravitational influences.


Not yet. Yes, absolutely, but not yet. I'm the slowest ship in the fleet here, apparently, and I'd like to get some things straight first. Pleeeease? ... I beseech you!


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General / Re: Superluminal (a question)
« on: May 31, 2014, 05:20:24 am »
Thanks! Lots of food for thought.

Two things I'm not quite clear on:

1. The whole photon thing. I mean, YES, we know that any star one can see may not even exist anymore. In the case of Alpha Proxima the proof will arrive four years from now; on some other starts, we'll have to wait a whole lot longer. So what? I mean, if the photons traveled a thousand times slower, what difference would it make in determining the velocity of an object relative of another object?

2. If the dancer were spinning at same rate as the photons (speed of light), they would see Pluto nearly stationary with a very small angular displacement.

Uh ... why? Uh ... Is the distance between one photon and the next similar or greater than the circumference of the spin? Or what?

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General / Re: Superluminal (a question)
« on: May 31, 2014, 03:28:04 am »
Okay, so you're saying that nothing can move faster than light WITHIN an inertial frame of reference, and by "inertial frame of reference" you mean a section of space where ... hmm ... the curvature of space is negligible, while gravity is not - if I understand correctly.

You've made a great point about looking to the west, and then to the east. Dancers make Pluto exceed the speed of light every time they do a pirouette - but that "doesn't count," because the force of gravity between them and Pluto is negligible.

So - correct me if I'm wrong - Relativity is similar to Euclid's geometry in that it only works within certain parameters and does not apply to the entire Universe or even galaxy.

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General / Superluminal (a question)
« on: May 30, 2014, 10:06:56 pm »
I'm rather slow at times, so please be patient.

The Theory of Relativity states, in no uncertain terms, that:

1. Nothing can travel faster than light
2. ANYTHING AT ALL can be viewed as a motionless reference point.

The Earth rotates and revolves, so let's set it aside.

Let's select a point anywhere on Earth's orbit except where the Earth actually is. Let's elect it The Reference Point of the Day.

Alpha Proxima (and all the rest of the stars in the galaxy except the Sun) do actually rotate around this point at speeds that exceed the speed of light.

What gives?

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