The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Non-VR Games => Topic started by: Fuse on December 27, 2011, 01:04:28 pm
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I had been asked about mine a bit, so thought I would share my main thoughts and current setup...
As a Shadow...
Movement:
Q=Strafe Left
W=Forward
E=Strafe Right
Attacks on Numbers
1=Get-Focus-Back ASAP. Here for right click attack.
2=Finishing move when < %30 health. Spammed
3=Main attack. Used for proccing Particle Acceleration. Spammed
4=AoE
5=AoE Knockback
6=Slow. Great for following people and then smashing Shadow Strike.
7=Force Lift, not comonly used in PvP
==Blackout. Usually used to sneak past PvE.
Here's where my fun begins
A=Project. I use it almost every cooldown. Easy to reach.
S=Tele Throw. Used prety comonly.
D=Stun. Used very often. All easy to get to.
F=Force Breech. used almost every cooldown. Especially with groupped reds.
SHIFT+F=Mind Crush. Used when I have an opening.
C=Shadow Strike. I put this here because I don't always have the opportunity to use it in PvP, but when I do need it, it's still easily reached
SHIFT+C: Force Pull. Not used every cooldown, so put the shift modifyer on it.
Z=Tumult. An ability I'm not always aware if it's able to be hit (needs stunned) so have it close, but not always easy to reach.
BUFFS:
SHIFT+A:Kinetic Ward
SHIFT+S:Force Potency
SHIFT+D:Alacrity Relic
Other:
T=Mass Taunt (Changed to Throw huttball when in HB.)
SHIFT+T:Taunt
B=Mind Snap. Super useful for those damn BH AoEs.
SHIFT+B:Mind Maze. 60sec mezz? Yes please.
H=Deflection
CNT+H=Healthpack
CNT+W:Speeder
R=Force Speed
G=Grenade
SHIFT+G:Gaurd. Not always used in the heat of battle, so have the shift modifyer.
Mouse - My mouse has two buttons on the side (SIDE1 and SIDE2)
MIDDLE:Force of Will - Breaks CC.
SHIFT+MIDDLE:Resilliance - Breaks and resists CC
SIDE1:Stealth
SHIFT+SIDE1:Force Cloak
Some things I change...
I change what abilities go where depending on the situation.
Huttball? T=Throw, Shift+T is mass taunt, and taunt gets clicked on if needed.
Am I PvEing with a companion? H becomes healthpack, CNT+H becomes Channel the Force.
Why did I do it this way?
...becuase it works for me so far. My goal is to keep my hand on the left side of my keyboard for almost everything. For the windows that require keys, I remapped them to CNT+Whatever. So while you use "C" to bring up the character panel, I use CNT+C. I have to reevaluate these each time I get a new ability, and also what I actually use. I only have about 8 more barspots open to use, but have a lot of keys not yet shift modified I can still use.
This is the first game I've remapped keys for a game ever. After watching Taugrims videos on key mapping (http://taugrim.com/2011/04/07/guide-to-strafing-movement-and-keybindings/) it all made sense. I can't use his suggestions, but it forced me to experiment. For instance, he ONLY uses strafe L/R with no forward button. I need that forward button, for sure. I tried to Shift modify anything I didn't use all the time - I think I aceived this with the exception of Mind Crush, but that works well because I only use that after my alacrity relic. (SHIFT+A, SHIFT+S, SHIFT+D, SHIFT+F - all in a row)
No backward? Who needs it? With strafing, you don't need to backpedal. I thought I would miss it. I don't.
No "X" binding? Nope. My finger strains to get this. I'll probably bring it into the rotation by the time I'm 50, but right now I don't need it.
Moving icons when switching from other monitor? Not me. i hotkeys SHIFT+CNT+L to lock the hotbars.
It took me some time to get use to this, and I'm always reconsidering placement, and fearing that my next ability will screw it up, but I am MUCH happier, and effective with the setup I have so far.
Here is an image of my icon placement and the binds I have on them. (might be slightly hard to see)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/1zpsajc.jpg)
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You need a naga sir.
Edit: Everything is a series of 12345etc SHIFT-12345etc CTRL-12345etc ALT-12345etc Which is amazingly easy with the naga.
No joke dude you gotta get one.
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I'm seriously considering remapping my 'backwards' key, but it's such a longstanding habit to break. The key is completely pointless because your movement speed takes a big hit while moving backwards. A pain in the ass, but it makes sense that a person can't run at the same speed backwards as they do forwards.
I'm still experimenting with my bindings because I'm still min/max'ing my rotation. But this looks very helpful for those of us who don't have the Naga. Thanks Fuse!
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I backpedal a lot when kiting. Knockback/stun/slow pew pew.
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I backpedal on my speeder because there is no speed reduction - Or I'm wrong, and there is, and I'm bad but I'm gonna keep doing it anyway since it's illegal to drive backwards in my car IRL.
**there definitely is speed reduction going backwards.
***why doesn't the strikethrough BB code work =(
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I should have also noted that for those odd times backwards might be "needed"the arrow key still works.
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Taugrim sums up my and the entire pvp communities thoughts on backpedalers
http://www.twitch.tv/taugrim/b/303878470
jump to 44:45
"This guy's backpedaling... makes me want to cry"
"it's really really horribad"
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On the Naga...
I almost bought one. I didn't want to spend the money when my current mouse works fine. I can do everything you can do, plus buy a couple bottles of Grey Goose.
A Naga is nice, but not needed. Even if I did have the naga, I'd still probably use the keyboard more than the mouse. I have nerv issues in my right hand, so that much work on the thumb might be an issue.
My next iteration of this will be to SHIFT Modify the second half of the numbers row for my top bar.
e.g.-1-5 and then SHIFT+1-5 and find other keybinds for "-" and "+".
My only concern is that I have fairly small fingers, so I'm hoping that doesn't strain my hand hitting SHIFT+5 commonly.
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shift modifers are bad news bears for pvp... slow reaction time, high chance for fuck ups, naga helps remove that need for shift modifers but there are ways around that as well.
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shift modifers are bad news bears for pvp... slow reaction time, high chance for fuck ups, naga helps remove that need for shift modifers but there are ways around that as well.
I've heard this before, and I call bullshit. Big pile of steaming bullshit, actually.
I'm so much quicker with this setup. I'm also much more accurate too, due to not moving my hand around much from the 12 keys on the left. Perhaps I don't have much of an issue with my pinky finger hitting shift because I've played guitar for over 20 years. What's the alternative...Buy a $80 mouse that you don't really need? Yes, the naga may be faster... MAYBE. But you would still have use for modifiers. Also, that's giving the impression shift modifiers hinder success, which they don't.
To each their own, I suppose. I suggest you try it yourself and see how you perform. I think a big key to success with modifiers (or even without) is muscle memory tied to abilities. I never have to look at what a binding is - that's key no matter how your bindings are setup.
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Hey some people can pull it off, hell ive run them for years in wow prior to the naga, i just noticed my speed and success rate shoot up once i removed them all
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as a recent naga convert, shift modifiers have a place if you need them but not for "critical" spells. 1-6, all the letters around wasd and the naga is an assload of binds. For something like buffs, i think shift modifiers work fine, other than that get it on something quicker imo.
and you shouldn't be backpedaling in pvp but unbinding it is unnecessary imo
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shift modifers are bad news bears for pvp... slow reaction time, high chance for fuck ups, naga helps remove that need for shift modifers but there are ways around that as well.
I've heard this before, and I call bullshit. Big pile of steaming bullshit, actually.
I'm so much quicker with this setup. I'm also much more accurate too, due to not moving my hand around much from the 12 keys on the left. Perhaps I don't have much of an issue with my pinky finger hitting shift because I've played guitar for over 20 years. What's the alternative...Buy a $80 mouse that you don't really need? Yes, the naga may be faster... MAYBE. But you would still have use for modifiers. Also, that's giving the impression shift modifiers hinder success, which they don't.
To each their own, I suppose. I suggest you try it yourself and see how you perform. I think a big key to success with modifiers (or even without) is muscle memory tied to abilities. I never have to look at what a binding is - that's key no matter how your bindings are setup.
People have their own ways of doing things. No need to call someone else's methods or ideas bullshit.
I personally was a clicker before I bought the Naga, I like the Naga better because it allows me to not move my hands near as much as when I was a clicker.
In the end, do what makes you happy and play the way you want.
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I have my keybinds set up so my naga to bind to the numpad then i have 1-6,R,F,C,T,G,V,Z,X binded to various abilities with R and 1 being my quick hit abilitys such as mindsnap and cc breaker. Less used abilities such as force lift get pushed out to T.G,V and sprint is on X. I hate shift modifyiers myself but thats a personal thing.
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So many people swearing by the naga - which is cool.
You won't ever find someone who's tried both rate the naga over the steelseries cata mouse though.
NOTICE: I am adding a disclaimer to every post I've made 'praising' the Steelseries Cata mouse. I made these posts prior to configuring (or attempting to configure) the mouse for SWTOR. I am having trouble finding a reliable key-mapping setup and may be forced to resort back to my Naga if I cannot find a solution. I am very sad.
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So many people swearing by the naga - which is cool.
You won't ever find someone who's tried both rate the naga over the steelseries cata mouse though.
I'd believe it. I love my Reaper's Edge (though.. the RMB is starting to give it up). I've been scouring the SteelSeries site for my next mouse. I'd go with the Cata, but I want something WoW branded. I don't play WoW, never have.
Then again, I've got my Merc Stealth, so maybe I'll just stick with a simple-er mouse and let my keyboard do the work.
Phyro
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I wonder how hard it would be to get rid of the small wow logo which is the only thing branding it a "wow" mouse. It's really a mouse for anyone who could use a few more buttons <(^.^<) not just wow players.
NOTICE: I am adding a disclaimer to every post I've made 'praising' the Steelseries Cata mouse. I made these posts prior to configuring (or attempting to configure) the mouse for SWTOR. I am having trouble finding a reliable key-mapping setup and may be forced to resort back to my Naga if I cannot find a solution. I am very sad.
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I wonder how hard it would be to get rid of the small wow logo which is the only thing branding it a "wow" mouse. It's really a mouse for anyone who could use a few more buttons <(^.^<) not just wow players.
True. I could make due with it.. but not if I have to pay $100. If it were cheaper I'd have no problem throwing a sticker over the branding or something.
EDIT: Lookin' at it.. the plain WoW one is $50. Eh... Give me a week and we'll see how I'm feelin' about a new mouse.
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So many people swearing by the naga - which is cool.
You won't ever find someone who's tried both rate the naga over the steelseries cata mouse though.
I'd believe it. I love my Reaper's Edge (though.. the RMB is starting to give it up). I've been scouring the SteelSeries site for my next mouse. I'd go with the Cata, but I want something WoW branded. I don't play WoW, never have.
Then again, I've got my Merc Stealth, so maybe I'll just stick with a simple-er mouse and let my keyboard do the work.
Phyro
Why do you want something Wow branded? or was that a mistype?
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So many people swearing by the naga - which is cool.
You won't ever find someone who's tried both rate the naga over the steelseries cata mouse though.
Meh. I have big hands. Long fingers. I can easily play an octave + 3 on a standard keyboard.
That being said, The Naga is too small and the steelseries cata is just too big.
Too small > too big.
If you like the size of a naga, you'd hate the cata.
(http://www.datascopeinc.com/mice.png)
As far as functionality goes, the steelseries macro software (and you have to use macros for standard key presses outside of WoW) is shit. I mean fucking terrible. If you assign say, the "1" key to one of its buttons and you're click happy, it behaves like a keyboard and puts the input into a buffer with delays. To wit: it will keep spamming 1 for you long after you stopped pressing the button. Even if you press another button. This is terrible behavior for mouse software -- but it is a software issue so it can be fixed. You can remove the delay from single keypresses, but you can't remove (or edit!) the delay on a multi-key macro -- except to send everything simultaneously. So if that'd work for you... I guess you can ignore the preceding.
A big plus is that it has a ring finger / pinky button (depending on how you hold a mouse.) I hate having nothing to do with one of my fingers, and the naga is full of fail on that one point. The naga's mouse4 and mouse5 buttons are also horribly placed.
The naga's buttons feel better than the cata, too. The cata's buttons feel mushy to me.
What I really want is a naga inside the body of a g700 with a right side button.
If I had to choose between a naga and the cata mouse, I'd take the naga. If someone asked me which were better for most people, I'd say the naga. If the cata mouse had the naga software, I'd be more neutral, but it doesn't and I don't play WoW anymore.
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And on topic, ESDF > WASD. Shifting everything over to the right gives you significantly more keys around your ring finger.
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So many people swearing by the naga - which is cool.
You won't ever find someone who's tried both rate the naga over the steelseries cata mouse though.
I'd believe it. I love my Reaper's Edge (though.. the RMB is starting to give it up). I've been scouring the SteelSeries site for my next mouse. I'd go with the Cata, but I want something WoW branded. I don't play WoW, never have.
Then again, I've got my Merc Stealth, so maybe I'll just stick with a simple-er mouse and let my keyboard do the work.
Phyro
Why do you want something Wow branded? or was that a mistype?
Oops, missing a "don't". The Cata mouse is WoW branded. I don't want WoW branding on a mouse if I'm payin $100 for it.
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As far as functionality goes, the steelseries macro software (and you have to use macros for standard key presses outside of WoW) is shit. I mean fucking terrible. If you assign say, the "1" key to one of its buttons and you're click happy, it behaves like a keyboard and puts the input into a buffer with delays. To wit: it will keep spamming 1 for you long after you stopped pressing the button. Even if you press another button. This is terrible behavior for mouse software -- but it is a software issue so it can be fixed. You can remove the delay from single keypresses, but you can't remove (or edit!) the delay on a multi-key macro -- except to send everything simultaneously. So if that'd work for you... I guess you can ignore the preceding.
^This I just discovered this weekend is 100% true, and because of this I'm rescinding my recommendation for this mouse =(
The naga's mouse4 and mouse5 buttons are also horribly placed.
This is the main reason I stopped using the Naga - those are my most often used mouse buttons and I had to click them with my index finger (as opposed to my thumb).
The naga's buttons feel better than the cata, too. The cata's buttons feel mushy to me.
Weird, I think the Naga's buttons are mushy and the Cata's buttons are crisp, and distinct.
If I had to choose between a naga and the cata mouse, I'd take the naga. If someone asked me which were better for most people, I'd say the naga. If the cata mouse had the naga software, I'd be more neutral, but it doesn't and I don't play WoW anymore.
I'm now neutral due to the cata's terrible software functionality mentioned above. =(
/retreats
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Naga wins. Flawless victory.
(http://i.imgur.com/wfVrS.jpg)
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To be fair, I hate the placement of mouse button 4 and 5... that said, I never use them as I have 15 other buttons to use. heh.
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Well... I just got a $500 bonus award at work, so looks like I'll TRY the naga.
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MB5 is throw huttball, MB4 is throw grenades that eethy has yet to make me /tapfoot
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Open question here about something I'm considering.
I have a mouse with macro programmable buttons with a large limit on keystrokes. I can also use a press and hold to repeat (spam) the command at a very high rate. Would it be worth it to build a few ability que macros?
Discuss.
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Which mouse specifically?
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Which mouse specifically?
Logitech G700.