The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Tbone on November 28, 2011, 05:39:40 pm
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Normally I don't get involved in this kind of stuff, but since it affects all of the guilds that are trying to get on the same RP-PvP server, I do feel an obligation to keep the process in check.
To get you caught up, there was a meeting a few weeks ago that I wasn't there for where guild leaders for the RP-PvP community discussed deciding what server we should go to, among other things.
Apparently this spiraled into discussions of a server charter, RP council, policing RP rules, etc. etc. etc. Luckily these ideas were quickly challenged by many of the guilds there, including Broin representing us. After opposition was brought up, the more extreme views were quieted and at the end of the meeting it was agreed that things should be a simple as possible - just decide on a server.
After the meeting, however, plans that were thought to be agreed against were put into motion anyway. Mainly the formation of an external website for all future discussions, hosted by Fragworld and run by the "RP Council" thinkers of the meeting.
The unfortunate part of this is that the website is being promoted as the official place to discuss which server we should all land on, and those discussions/voting was halted on the main thread on the SWTOR site. As a result, you have to register for their site, PM an admin saying your a guild leader, and get access to a special section of their forums to vote on which server to go to.
This rubbed many people the wrong way, and led to Saints of the Old Republic and another guild leaving the organizing efforts. Soon bickering and arguing began to surface, and now Warmadden has left as well.
Up until this point I've remained absent from all of this, as I have an aversion to drama. But it irks me to have to go through this process to participate in deciding a server, and seeing our future community begin to bleed members, I felt the need to say something.
I first tried to encourage the original poster to keep a tally of votes for server choice on the SWTOR thread, so that anyone could participate and see the results. This was quickly seen as a challenge to the tally already going on the "special website", and seeing that it would probably just muddy up things further, I reversed my idea.
So I signed up and voted on their site. But I also decided to give my own two cents here (http://frag-world.com/forum/5-general-discussion/509-keeping-it-simple#527).
As you can see, I'm trying to promote keeping the process simple so that more guilds are encouraged to join. It's quickly being met with hostility, however, and the belief that my viewpoint is the minority.
I don't like the idea of a few select people making decisions for everyone behind closed doors, so in the spirit of allowing everyone to have a voice, I'm sharing all this with you so that you can make your voice heard as well if you wish.
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Fuck that guy in his stupid face. When you guys know what his in game name is, please let me know so I can enjoy PKing him even more.
Let's just do what we want to do and things will work themselves out. I don't put much stock in pregame alliances and groups anyway. Once we go live EVERYTHING changes.
Regardless, I know I'm not adding anything here other than, yeah, that whole group is a drama magnet and it would be to our advantage to just bow out and be lone wolves.
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*cough*PvPServer*cough*
Will read up and share thoughts later... Seems like over management.
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How was fragworld even chosen? It looks like it's a not-even-finished portal site? Why didn't they use enjin or something? (10 bucks says one of those guys runs it and is going to try and use it to get some half assed gameportal site launched.
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Lunar Xavier seems unable to grasp the point you are trying to make no matter how many times you restate it. He also seems very aggressive and would rather silence you than allow a discussion to flourish. Why has no other guild responded to your thread? Do they all follow the council like little sheep? It seem FA will be needing to attend the rest of the meetings to make sure we are heard and our views considered.
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Not only that but he's obviously trying to shoehorn himself into a larger leadership position.
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Do we have any power truly power hungry passive aggressive assholes here that know how to deal with people like this guy? Or likewise, anyone ever had success dealing with someone like him?
I honestly don't know that it can be done short of Broin running some extraordinary rendition on the guy.
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Do we have any power truly power hungry passive aggressive assholes here that know how to deal with people like this guy? Or likewise, anyone ever had success dealing with someone like him?
I honestly don't know that it can be done short of Broin running some extraordinary rendition on the guy.
I like what your getting at but doing this could create a negative image for FA.
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Someone better stop me...
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I say we back the hell away from the drama.. moonwalk right out of the room.. you know the guilds that have already backed out.. and I really could not imagine more backing out after this crap.. seriously.. this is supposed to be fun.. this guy is the nutto that takes RP seriousness to a whole new level.. like making people call him by his gamer name nutto..
With 2 weeks left why dont we contact the guilds that backed out and just do this the simple and old fashioned way.. ask them to do our own thing..
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Okay my 2 credits.
We're The Furious Angels. They're some scrub guilds that are dysfunctional before game launch that won't matter one month after launch.
We don't need ANYONE imposing controls on us. Ever.
I would draft up a proper, well written post which says, between the lines "Thank you but no. Take your controls and rules and other stupid crap and put it where the sun doesn't shine." And then make it known that we will keep in contact with the community and let them know where we plan to go prior to launch if anyone cares to join us.
WE set the standard. We aren't dictated to by some half wits. They need us, we don't need them.
Oh and if you need a guild bad cop (I know it's normally Broin) I'd be more than happy to respectfully tell people to go to hell in such a way that makes them feel good about us and their trip to hell.
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Soooooo, i'm the only one feeling the pvp server with people we know even more now?
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Ha, don't think I've considered proposing just going PvP. The amount of discussions and politics behind this community is already turning me off. I'm hoping this will remedy itself once we're in game. We won't be obligated to look to them for information or decision making. We'll do our own thing and hopefully people will enjoy what we do and emulate it.
In the meantime, however, I guess I'm speaking for the little guy trying to make sure these guys trying to make a power play aren't met without some resistance. There was no need to go to such extremes to make a simple decision.
I suppose my suggestion was a little "too little too late", but they didn't exactly involve everyone in the decision making process. I don't know whose idea it was to have ANOTHER "official" vote on that website.
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I skimmed over that thread and from what I am seeing here we should just not be involved with that group of people if it is already drama.
Also like I said at the last meeting (I think?) where we were talking about server choice, I am in the middle on the choice of pvp or rp-pvp. With this it does make me want to lean towards pvp because I don't think we should be involved in any council type situation or on a server that has a council we are not part of.
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Someone better stop me...
Nah, I would prefer to see the drama's and drama producers ass kicked. Personally I with a lot of what people have said, they need us, we don't need them. We already know a majority of the guilds with implode before and slightly after game launch, I know we won't. Wherever and whatever we choose, we will find a community.
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Fuck that guy in his stupid face.
I can't agree with you more. The more I hear about this RP Council, the external community website, and the role-player coalition, the more unnecessary it seems.
Choose a server and be done with it. Anything more than that is unnecessary and annoying.
I'm just repeating the majority opinion here, but I would prefer that as soon as the game launches and we are playing on whatever server has been chosen, we simply ignore them and their idiotic drama.
Out of sight, out of mind. They aren't worth our time.
The beautiful thing about our method of role-playing is that we don't need a gaggle of "friends" or even reciprocal participants.
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The new guys thoughts....
I agree with what everyone is saying in this post so far. FA can set and hold the standards that others will strive to live by. You should not waste to much of your time with those clowns. I support what ever server is chosen by the leadership and even though I hate to get ganked, PVP sounds like a better option if this is the way RP-PVP is going.
Just my 2 cents.... :D
LB
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FA has been one of the leading faction voices in past MMOs.
That aside, any voice with numbers behind it, including our voice (that of Tbone's), is valid and should be respected as we would respect other opinions. This guy is having trouble accomplishing that. I wont hold it against him; some people are just wired that way and on a forum it always comes out wrong; I'll be generous and give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sounds like whoever was chairing the meeting couldn't keep it in order.
Server should have been decided with an option to discuss other ventures in a second meeting - keep in scope.
...but that's all aside now.
I agree with likwidtek that the site looks unfinished...
They would have to do some nice work to get that to take off properly...
FA doesn't appear on the guild list as yet.
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What makes me laugh is they mention drawing up a list of rules but they have no tools to enforce these what stops someone just creating a character and trolling from my point of view they have spent alot of needless time debating on stuff they cant even enforce.
This whole thing should have been kept in the swtor comunity site in order to make it open to everyone who may be interested by moving it off there they have just alienated a good number of the comunity who may of been interested but didnt want to jump through hoops. If these guys want to form some kind of Council/Alliance then I say leave them to it, we have our own micro community of over 100 members and we dont do drama so why invite it by even linking ourselves with these people.
As far as what server to join I say we talk to some of the other large community guilds and come up with some kind of arrangement, there should be no alliance/council baring entry to any one wanting to join and the stratergy for picking a server should be posted on the swtor site so that any other guilds wishing to follow may do so. If anything more than that is needed then it can be set up at a later date. Were 2 weeks from launch and we certainly dont need some hyped up power grabbing dictator telling us what to do, where not the empire after all.
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well this does not look too good, but:
on the other hand, if you want a usefull solution you have to lead the ppl. Too many cooks spoil the broth. so if you bring a lot of guilds together then its only working that each guild has its representive. there will be way too much bullshit when every guild menber of every guild gets involved with the decition making. thats a thing the leaders have to take up on.
if you dont like these leaders, well one thing. but thats not the question. the question is: how are the alternative servers? how is the comunity there? what ppl are there? or are we just better off to go exactly ro that server. let them do their thing, but still have the better part of the swtor community. its not about the leadership its about the thousand players that come with them.
i would perefer a rp server. swtor is story, and rp is played story. i dont want to play on a server where all those "roxxor" or "arraaagron" named characters run around. thats not story. thats stupid bullshit... and mostly the players behind that are even more so. so the question stays the same. where to find the best community. in my opinion it will be at least a RP-PVP server. even better when there are more ppl on it that like the rp part. even if we are not part of their organised group.
so it might be not so bad to be there even if they do their own thing. think about it. dont just back of if they do not accept you and your ideas as leadership.
my 5 cent.
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Well, if we won't get on with these guys, sod it. Go onto another RP-PvP server?
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I can't understand why you're even arguing with these clowns.
In my opinion, they signed their own death warrant when they started this nonsense and then proceeded with moving it to their own forum.
These guys are probably nerds living in their parents' basements, getting off on thinking they're in control of something.
If they want to be the Shepard to the sheep, let them lead whoever is ignorant enough to follow them. It just seems obvious that whoever wants to follow that path is not who we should be, or should want to be, associating with.
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From what i have gathered about the FA before SWTOR, the founders and long term members (From MXO) those individuals who create the backbone of FA, they evolved the FA membership into what it is today with a single guiding principal when it comes to potential members of this guild.
We all heard that principal in one form or another when we were interviewed...
The Furious Angels look for Quality not Quantity.
I guess the question for me is, are we going to keep the same principal, Quality not Quantity, when it comes to the community we play in?
Do we view fragworld as a quality community or is it us looking for a large community? Would gathering a few like minded guilds who also look for quality not quantity be a better play? Where can we make a larger impact? Fragworld or doing our own thing and possibly spearheading an RP community?
Whatever the answer to the above questions are I will go where FA goes and we will elevate the standards wherever we are.
I wasn't here until recently and I assume a lot, I know this. I would liken my presumptions to a house, you may not have been there to build it... but you can tell by walking through it what kind of workmanship and materials went into it. The FA house was build with good materials and excellent craftsmanship. If my assumptions and questions offend i do apologize in advance, that is not the intent.
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I'm with Fuse here. This gives me a bad taste in my mouth for what's to come in an rp server.
PvP seems way less irritating.
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No, you hit it on the head, Tin.
We make of the game what we wish. With that said, a good group is important for RP. The question is can we create that, or find it, without this community.
FA is my community, so that's my concern. Lucky for me, that is solved pretty easily by being with you guys and on the same server. We will then either find others who we mesh well with, or become one of the other 100000000 guilds on whatever server we choose.
How important is this consortium to that?
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The whole thing is a power-play. Pure and simple.
The guy/guys want their little bit of authority and internet fame. Let them have it. They'll get it in the worst possible way.
It will fall apart and we'll be there to watch it happen, from the sidelines.
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The whole thing is a power-play. Pure and simple.
The guy/guys want their little bit of authority and internet fame. Let them have it. They'll get it in the worst possible way.
It will fall apart and we'll be there to watch it happen, from the sidelines.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
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I think after launch the fragworld site will become redundant. Every MMO I've played has had a Server-specific Forum on the main community site. So once TOR goes live, I imagine we'll see a larger availability of forums; including one specific to the RP-PVP server that is chosen. And this provides a platform for EVERYONE on the server to be able to communicate, rather than having stumbled upon the link to the external site.
Reading through your thread there, it seems that entire purpose of the fragworld forum is to "pick a server". And to me, it seems like a whole lot of wasted energy and resources to setup a forum site to reach 1 little decision. o_O
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All this just to decide on a damn server?
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We have issues like this at work where by a simple solution is needed but instead you generally get 1 person who decides they want to expand their little empire, comes up with some convoluted method and pushes it forward. Most people then just give in as you end up spending more time arguing against minor points rather than actually putting the solution into action. Let them build their own empire history dictates it will all come crashing down at some point any way.
I'd ignore these guys, let them get on with it once they've finished faffing we have only one choice to make, Do we follow them onto the same server or not, that way we can have the best of both worlds we get on a server with outher RP minded players but we havent signed up to any rules or alliances layed out by this so called council.
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With 2 weeks left why don't we contact the guilds that backed out and just do this the simple and old fashioned way.. ask them to do our own thing..
I agree.
Also I can see this whole council being dissolved about a month after the game comes out. We should just stay out of the drama and do our own thing in game.
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i agree with Tin quality not quantity
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I remember something similar (albeit on a much smaller scale) occurring within the first week on MxO being released.
Three machinist guilds got together to form The Triumvirate. No word of a lie, it collapsed within 2 weeks because of the hierarchy, back-stabbing, bitching. Overall the three "leaders" who created it could never agree on what direction to go, or indeed how to do anything they did agree on.
The things always have potential. But in the end, the truth is these things are best left alone. No player, no matter how large his support or ego, can control what goes on in a game server. They can write all these rules and have this huge backing. In the end though, all the server needs is one guild to do their own thing (they wouldn't even need to troll or argue against them) and others will soon leave their "Council".
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The only thing that scares me is getting stuck on a server with a huge group of pompous assholes that are going to continue to try to control and dominate. I was under the impression that we originally picked a rp-pvp server to avoid all the annoying douche-ness of the pompous a-holes on a regular pvp sever. Needless to say, reading that conversation and the overall vibe from the way things are being handled, I'm not feeling much inclined to have anything to do with those guys. :p
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^^^^
/endThread // Woman have spoken
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It looks like to me that if we want to have drama free RP we would have to do one of two things, join a different RP-PVP server than the one they are planning on joining or re ignite the idea of following the old friends of FA from MXO to a PVP server.
Now I wasn't part of MXO for very long. So I don't know what drama could arise that has happened in the past. However I do know what it is like to play on a PVP server in multiple mmos.
In my experience the "1 r 1337z0r" kids on a PVP server are very few and far between. They are easily ignored and give up quickly as a result. I have had RP on a PVP server and it was very rewarding.
It seems to me that in this case at least, the RP-PVP community has attracked people who are power hungry to make themselves special and will likely be role playing important figures that had power as well. These people are people that have issues with inferiority and lack of self-esteem. They meta-game to get their way. I have seen it before many times. It killed the entire Star Wars RP on Second Life called the Galactic Continuum.
Rolling on a PVP server with old friends is a good option. As is rolling on a different RP-PVP server with the guilds who are upset by this too.
Trying to play these guy's game and work it out so that RP can take place will likely never happen and only cause a lot of stress in a game that we all want to have fun in.
I know our leaders will make the right decision. These are just my 2 cents.
Their new register forum rank is "Noob". I think that sums it up.
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My own feelings:
The reason for the drama is simple: the lack of support for guild launches on RP-PVP servers is forcing players to collaborate, and that ALWAYS means drama. I don't care what mix of RP, PvP, or raiding a guild subscribes to, the moment two or more guilds put their heads together to achieve some common goal, they start BUTTING heads to establish dominance. Be it server firsts on previous MMOs, notoriety, or who was the first to create some dumbass council, epeens WILL be whipped out to be measured.
What I love about FA is that it is completely and utterly unreliant on other guilds. We will always have reds to kill, and blues to bail out of a fire. We PvP our own way, RP our own way, and no asshole outsider guild is gonna dictate jack shit to us.
Ahem. Sorry.
In any case, I'd say hook up with the other guilds that ditched this silly shit, and coordinate with them in a non-retarded way. There will be plenty of RP-PVP servers to pick from.
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I know I probably shouldn't have but I did so on my own and I did not mention what guild I was in.
This is what I had to say to them about all of it.
"It is very clear that when the idea of a council and ways to make a small governing group were not met with agreement, those who had this idea quickly planted a flag and decided to use the "well it's been done so it's too late now" excuse to justify the fact that they jumped a the gun on an idea that was just their own.
Trying to bully people around this way with passive aggressive tactics is only serving to break up what could have been a nice group of people who wanted to share their enjoyment of the game and the RP in it. So, someone made this website the official place to vote on a server even though no one voted on using this website. The "it's too late" approach is flawed as it would have been faster for me to vote on the SWTOR forums then jump through the hoops of this websites junky registration process (copy and paste the link to register because we are too lazy to make it an active link?).
I honestly do not believe you have what is best for an RP community in mind. I think you are more worried about your position in it. I however do know that if you continue acting as you have, there wont be an RP community to have a stake in. There are more fair and respectable ways to obtain rank within a given structure. This approach is not it and never works out.
I really do hope you can try and see the bigger picture before it's too late though it may already be too late. Pretending that your actions are OK won't fix it. You clearly have issues with inferiority and self-esteem and are trying passive aggressive manipulation tactics that are far too obvious for them to work.
Don't make your problems other's problems. Do what is right for everyone instead of what you think is right for you. You might actually have fun that way."
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I do not want to play on the same server as those guys regardless. They will do everything and anything they can to make sure FA does not succeed and will not allow FA to make a positive impact on the rest of the players.
I think in light of what is going on, a PVP server is perfect for the goals of FA.
A lot of groups that roll on an RP-PVP server already have in mind how they want to do things and are usually not willing to budge. There are some that are genuine but they are usually in the minority.
If FA rolls on a PVP server with it's old friends from MXO FA is in perfect position to have a huge impact in the game. I have seen PVP servers become the main RP server because RP can exist regardless and I think the impact of turning a PVP server into an RP server because the people on it enjoy what we are doing and want to take part would have a much bigger impact on the game than we could ever have rolling on an RP-PVP server.
The allies we would have would allow us to make this possible and being able to say "We made X pvp server the go to place for RP" is a much bigger statement. I have seen much kinder people on a PVP server than these guys.
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I do not want to play on the same server as those guys regardless. They will do everything and anything they can to make sure FA does not succeed and will not allow FA to make a positive impact on the rest of the players.
I think in light of what is going on, a PVP server is perfect for the goals of FA.
A lot of groups that roll on an RP-PVP server already have in mind how they want to do things and are usually not willing to budge. There are some that are genuine but they are usually in the minority.
If FA rolls on a PVP server with it's old friends from MXO FA is in perfect position to have a huge impact in the game. I have seen PVP servers become the main RP server because RP can exist regardless and I think the impact of turning a PVP server into an RP server because the people on it enjoy what we are doing and want to take part would have a much bigger impact on the game than we could ever have rolling on an RP-PVP server.
The allies we would have would allow us to make this possible and being able to say "We made X pvp server the go to place for RP" is a much bigger statement. I have seen much kinder people on a PVP server than these guys.
How do you know that they will try and stop us from doing what we want to do and hinder us? I think they will probably leave us alone and let us do our own thing. They may even be able to help us promote events.
You fail to realize how big this game is going to be. This is not MxO no matter how much we wish it was. The MxO guilds will be a minority on the server they decide to roll on.
Most of the time the only way RP opens up on a PvP server is if there are no RP-PvP servers. TOR will have these so it defeats the need for a PvP server to be turned into one. One Faction, even FA, can't turn and entire server on to rp. A PvP server would be filled with worse people then Lunar Xavier. For all we know he could be the only rotten apple.
Also I would like to know where you got your info about RP-PvP servers since most RP-PvP server I have played on, a lot, have been very accepting and open to many new ideas.
Lastly I think many of you are freaking out for no reason at all. Yes Lunar seems to be bullheaded and aggressive but how do we know the entire community is like that. This council probably wont last that long in game and if it does its benefits may out way its cons. We also wont be the only guild that chooses to not take part in it, especially once the server becomes diluted with PvP Guilds. If we do move to an PvP we will be ostracized for rping and promoting it. In a PvPers eyes RP is for care-bears. Remember we always can roll on a different rp server than the one they decide to roll on.
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I'm not sure why so many people are wanting to just jump ship (server) after a little boat rocking. This will occur in some format on every server to a certain extent.
It's not going to be possible to reach the holy grail of servers where everyone is 100% peaceful or a pleasant person to play with/against.
These guys may have took what they thought to be the correct action to solve a problem and in a sense they did, for a select few people/guilds. At the end of the day, our play experience is going to come down to what WE did today, what WE accomplished and what WE had so much fun doing together.
I believe the bigger picture here is to side step this potential hurricane of drama and hate. We should just focus on our choice to go where we said we wanted to and make our mark on the server/game. If we have to do it alone, it's never been a circumstance that has hindered us before.
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I'm not sure why so many people are wanting to just jump ship (server) after a little boat rocking. This will occur in some format on every server to a certain extent.
It's not going to be possible to reach the holy grail of servers where everyone is 100% peaceful or a pleasant person to play with/against.
These guys may have took what they thought to be the correct action to solve a problem and in a sense they did, for a select few people/guilds. At the end of the day, our play experience is going to come down to what WE did today, what WE accomplished and what WE had so much fun doing together.
I believe the bigger picture here is to side step this potential hurricane of drama and hate. We should just focus on our choice to go where we said we wanted to and make our mark on the server/game. If we have to do it alone, it's never been a circumstance that has hindered us before.
Well said Strod.
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Guys like Lunar tend to have a good number of sheeple who will cause a lot of problems. I got my information from years of MMO experience and these guys will try and cause us grief, they already are. I don't see reason to talk like that to me. I am only speaking my opinion on a subject that effects everyone. They have shown what kind of people they are and pretending they wont be any trouble will just allow them to continue causing trouble as they have already.
An RP-PVP titled server does not guarantee RP that is pleasent. I personally do not want to play on the same server as these guys because of what I believe will happen.
You do not have to agree with me, but everyone's feelings should be taken into account. Yours and mine alike.
Also, if what we do is the only thing that matters and no one else can stop it, then why do we have to roll on a RP-PVP server over a PVP one. The argument seems to claim that the server type does not matter.
Personally I don't think the server type does matter at all. I just don't want to play on the same server as Lunar and his friends, regardless of the server type as long as it is RP-PVP or PVP.
I have had mass scale success on promoting and organizing RP on a PVP only server.I did so on a PVP only game. Planetside was an MMOFPS and we still had very large RP to the effect of 2 of the 3 factions working together to fight the 3rd. I personally know RP can be done to great effect on a PVP server. There are trolls everywhere, they will troll us on an RP-PVP server for being on the server and they will troll us for RPing on a PVP server.
These people are also a minority and will give it up rather quickly. There are a lot of people that see the RP going on and get curious about it and get involved in it. I have also personally experienced this and I am not making statements about things that could happen but things that I have personally had happen.
I have been playing MMOs since Ultima Online which has been around since the 90s. I have seen a lot of different players on different servers on different games.
FA can create a large RP group on a PVP server. I have faith in this guilds ability to inspire others to take part in RP. Saying that it is impossible is saying that FA can't make as big an impact as it desires to.
I think we should play on a server with the people whoever they may be, that have a good attitude and will be friendly and respectful to our guild and it's members. Regardless of what server that is and who those people are.
I think we can all agree that is what is desired most. I am not saying where we should or shouldn't go but that there is a strong possibility that playing with Lunar and his friends and their members "could" lead to a lot of drama that everyone in FA would rather avoid.
They don't look like the kind of guys who would support and promote things we wish to do considering they wont even support or work with our leader on where to vote for the server. That is a pretty good sign right there of how things will work.
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Guys like Lunar tend to have a good number of sheeple who will cause a lot of problems. I got my information from years of MMO experience and these guys will try and cause us grief, they already are. I don't see reason to talk like that to me. I am only speaking my opinion on a subject that effects everyone. They have shown what kind of people they are and pretending they won't be any trouble will just allow them to continue causing trouble as they have already.
An RP-PVP titled server does not guarantee RP that is pleasent. I personally do not want to play on the same server as these guys because of what I believe will happen.
You do not have to agree with me, but everyone's feelings should be taken into account. Yours and mine alike.
Also, if what we do is the only thing that matters and no one else can stop it, then why do we have to roll on a RP-PVP server over a PVP one. The argument seems to claim that the server type does not matter.
Personally I don't think the server type does matter at all. I just don't want to play on the same server as Lunar and his friends, regardless of the server type as long as it is RP-PVP or PVP.
First off FA member's are Sheepdogs which means we dont give a shit if we piss off the sheeple and we do what we want to do. Secondly just about everyone besides Lunar who posted seemed OK. Third I'm sorry that I may have offended you but I wanted to know your experience and I have a Type A Personality. Lastly some of us want to be able to rp outside of the guild if we roll on a PvP server it just won't happen.
I would like to know where you see that they are going to try and prevent us from doing what we want to do.
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Guys like Lunar tend to have a good number of sheeple who will cause a lot of problems. I got my information from years of MMO experience and these guys will try and cause us grief, they already are. I don't see reason to talk like that to me. I am only speaking my opinion on a subject that effects everyone. They have shown what kind of people they are and pretending they won't be any trouble will just allow them to continue causing trouble as they have already.
An RP-PVP titled server does not guarantee RP that is pleasent. I personally do not want to play on the same server as these guys because of what I believe will happen.
You do not have to agree with me, but everyone's feelings should be taken into account. Yours and mine alike.
Also, if what we do is the only thing that matters and no one else can stop it, then why do we have to roll on a RP-PVP server over a PVP one. The argument seems to claim that the server type does not matter.
Personally I don't think the server type does matter at all. I just don't want to play on the same server as Lunar and his friends, regardless of the server type as long as it is RP-PVP or PVP.
First off FA are Sheepdogs which means we don't give a shit if we piss off the sheeple. Secondly just about everyone besides Lunar who posted seemed OK. Third I'm sorry that I may have offended you but I wanted to know your experience. Lastly some of us want to be able to rp outside of the guild if we roll on a PvP server it just won't happen.
I added some more that might clarify what I meant. Regardless, I agree with you on all of that except for the last bit. I don't think it will be easy but I think it can be done.
I just want whats best for all of us, I don't want drama, and I want to be on a server with pvp be it RP or otherwise. That is all I care about. I think FA will succeed no matter where it goes. I just don't want to deal with guys like Lunar when I am trying to enjoy my time in the game. If he and his friends wont be a problem then by all means go for it. I just don't see how they wont be a problem, but that's just my opinion.
I think FA is one of the most amazing guilds I have ever been part of and I will follow it wherever it goes. I just want what everyone else does, drama free RP with pvp. However we do that is fine by me.
As to how they would cause trouble. I honestly don't know because his mindset is that of a passive agressive with a possible inferiority complex.
I am not, but I do know that people with that kind of mind can and will find a way to annoy you. I had one as a roommate and believe me, they are the worst kind of roommate you could ever have.
I just want to launch into a server with fun like minded people which I do have in FA and I would like it to be with some of the like minded guilds but if it's not that's ok too. I just want to have fun role playing in a universe I have been in love with since 5 years old.
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Guys like Lunar tend to have a good number of sheeple who will cause a lot of problems. I got my information from years of MMO experience and these guys will try and cause us grief, they already are. I don't see reason to talk like that to me. I am only speaking my opinion on a subject that effects everyone. They have shown what kind of people they are and pretending they won't be any trouble will just allow them to continue causing trouble as they have already.
An RP-PVP titled server does not guarantee RP that is pleasent. I personally do not want to play on the same server as these guys because of what I believe will happen.
You do not have to agree with me, but everyone's feelings should be taken into account. Yours and mine alike.
Also, if what we do is the only thing that matters and no one else can stop it, then why do we have to roll on a RP-PVP server over a PVP one. The argument seems to claim that the server type does not matter.
Personally I don't think the server type does matter at all. I just don't want to play on the same server as Lunar and his friends, regardless of the server type as long as it is RP-PVP or PVP.
First off FA are Sheepdogs which means we don't give a shit if we piss off the sheeple. Secondly just about everyone besides Lunar who posted seemed OK. Third I'm sorry that I may have offended you but I wanted to know your experience. Lastly some of us want to be able to rp outside of the guild if we roll on a PvP server it just won't happen.
I added some more that might clarify what I meant. Regardless, I agree with you on all of that except for the last bit. I don't think it will be easy but I think it can be done.
I just want what's best for all of us, I don't want drama, and I want to be on a server with pvp be it RP or otherwise. That is all I care about. I think FA will succeed no matter where it goes. I just don't want to deal with guys like Lunar when I am trying to enjoy my time in the game. If he and his friends won't be a problem then by all means go for it. I just don't see how they won't be a problem, but that's just my opinion.
I think FA is one of the most amazing guilds I have ever been part of and I will follow it wherever it goes. I just want what everyone else does, drama free RP with pvp. However we do that is fine by me.
As to how they would cause trouble. I honestly don't know because his mindset is that of a passive agressive with a possible inferiority complex.
I am not, but I do know that people with that kind of mind can and will find a way to annoy you. I had one as a roommate and believe me, they are the worst kind of roommate you could ever have.
I just want to launch into a server with fun like minded people which I do have in FA and I would like it to be with some of the like minded guilds but if it's not that's ok too. I just want to have fun role playing in a universe I have been in love with since 5 years old.
I can guarantee unless you want to you will personally never have to talk to people like lunar. That is why /ignore is in game.
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True. I just want to have fun with our guild and other like minded guilds. I guess I am just worried that if we play on the server Lunar goes with, that we will lose those other guilds that seemed nice and were like minded to us. I just really don't like people like Lunar. The one thing he said that bothers me the most, is that Tbone and others voting on the SWTOR forum is pointless and that everyone will go where Lunar and his friends tell them to go. That is just really asshole thinking right there.
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Caydnn, did you remove your post from their forums or did they?
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Just my two cents here -
Pre-Release Councils and other organization efforts led by idiots are doomed to fail. FA should take the lead in any kind of pre-launch organization; however that makes me just as closed minded as Lunar.
With that said, I believe that it would be wise to ignore the pre-release drama, and not worry about who is going where, and what guild is doing what. We are entering a new chapter in the life of FA, and I'd rather be surrounded with new faces and fresh blood than with self-important morons who get a woody for virtual authority.
I'm sure that there is going to be more than one RP-PvP Server at launch. With that said, I suggest we go to the server that this RP Council is not going to. The RP Council is going to attract griefers and elitists. Once we make a decision, we announce our decision, and wait to see which of our friends decide to follow.
There will be an entirely new server of friends to make, enemies to squash, and treasures to be plundered. I would not concern myself with the petty drama of Virgin Space Nerds.
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Fully agree with Jess
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Caydnn, did you remove your post from their forums or did they?
They did. Apparently this new order/council/click/kookidklub does not have freedom of speech or opinions. Opinions are bad mmk.
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Just my two cents here -
Pre-Release Councils and other organization efforts led by idiots are doomed to fail. FA should take the lead in any kind of pre-launch organization; however that makes me just as closed minded as Lunar.
With that said, I believe that it would be wise to ignore the pre-release drama, and not worry about who is going where, and what guild is doing what. We are entering a new chapter in the life of FA, and I'd rather be surrounded with new faces and fresh blood than with self-important morons who get a woody for virtual authority.
I'm sure that there is going to be more than one RP-PvP Server at launch. With that said, I suggest we go to the server that this RP Council is not going to. The RP Council is going to attract griefers and elitists. Once we make a decision, we announce our decision, and wait to see which of our friends decide to follow.
There will be an entirely new server of friends to make, enemies to squash, and treasures to be plundered. I would not concern myself with the petty drama of Virgin Space Nerds.
This man speaks the truth! I bet you anything more nice and mature guilds will go to the server we do than those who will follow the "council" and self appointed leaders. Btw, anyone else think "Lost Tribe of Sith" sounds off? It just doesn't sound right >_>
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I would not concern myself with the petty drama of Virgin Space Nerds.
You owe me a new keyboard and a glass of water.
The VSN will be on every server, regardless of type. I actually almost want to keep tabs on these guys just to watch them crash and burn into petty squabbling.
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So it seems in one regard these people are succeeding in their effort to create drama. I can see the beginnings of it happening right here on our own very forums. However, we should not forget that the simplest solution to a problem is most likely the correct one. I say we make a post on the SWTOR forums that plainly states that we as a guild do not want to follow the rules or restrictions of an outside governing body and simply want like minded people to join us in picking a server. Those who wish to participate in this "council" are free to do so and those whom wish to follow us to another server by popular vote on the swtor forums are free to do so as well. Any attempt to create drama on the thread should be met with civility or simply ignored. Without sounding egotistical or self righteous we are better than this level of drama. We've dealt with this kind of thing in the past and we've dealt with it by standing apart from the people that create this kind of nonsense.
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I'm not concerned about it. I really just wanted the chance for everyone to participate in server talks instead of them isolating it to their click, but in the end it doesn't make much difference for us. We'll do our thing and leave the bickering to them. As you can tell, they've already lost three or four guilds already. The "council" will probably be all but disbanded shortly after launch once other people start doing their own thing.
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The "council" is a small minority of what is already a small group of very vocal people before launch. The vast majority of potential players probably haven't posted a word on the forums, and are just waiting for the game to launch.
Once release hits you'll see dozens (maybe hundreds) of guilds who haven't said/done anything pop up doing their own thing. This "council" will do one of two things. 1. Realise they can't police the server with their rulesets, and get everyone to conform to their way of thinking. Therefore, they will disband. 2. They will try fruitlessly to force/hound people into their rules and regulations. They will alienate themselves from the much larger playerbase who have nothing to do with them. From there they will either disband through in-fighting and not being respected outside of the "council", or they will learn to fit in with the rest of the players.
They're nothing to concern yourself with. Every server, RP, PvP, PvE, yadda yadda yadda, has these people. Moving servers doesn't ensure we don't bump into another group like them.
"When live gives you lemons, make lemonade"
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"When live gives you lemons, make lemonade"
I would rather make a Cayenne Pepper and Lemon cream sauce to pour over some 4 cheese ravioli's!
I have nothing to actually add to this discussion because there is nothing I dispise more then drama. In real life or in game.
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Your mom doesn't like drama.
(oh dang!)
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This post is a bit late, but I wanted to post it anyways. I had class early this morning.
Also, if what we do is the only thing that matters and no one else can stop it, then why do we have to roll on a RP-PVP server over a PVP one. The argument seems to claim that the server type does not matter.
I think you are taking what I've said out of context a bit here. The main reason everyone in the guild (atleast 98% of those who voted) and not just the leaders made the choice was to have the best chances at an ideal enviorment to play in with what we are given to choose from and taking into account how the MMO community can be on certain types of servers. I understand the point you meant behind this statement, but I think it's a bit different that the topic at hand for my original response.
There are trolls everywhere, they will troll us on an RP-PVP server for being on the server and they will troll us for RPing on a PVP server.
That's true, they are everywhere but the more friendly ideal place to Rp without a higher chance of blow back from trolls is on a server designed/made for the purpose of Rp with PvP as apposed to one just labeled PvP where mostly PvP rage oreiented elitist will go as it's almost where the "it" people for pvp and nothing else will go. Such is the case in every MMO, granted you do have isolated incidents where that isn't the case. Going with the numbers is a better bet than trusting those certains times to happen for us.
FA can create a large RP group on a PVP server. I have faith in this guilds ability to inspire others to take part in RP. Saying that it is impossible is saying that FA can't make as big an impact as it desires to.
We will do well as we always have regardless of the obstacles or the "people" trying to harp on our good time. However, we are looking for an ideal situation not just pick this and run with it. It's my opinion that a server/place meant for our style will be a bit more pleasent than being on a PvP dominated server and really not getting the RP itch scratched as efficient as it would on a RP meant server. Also, noone has stated FA couldn't do something in any situation, we are again looking for the ideal place to make our mark.
I think we should play on a server with the people whoever they may be, that have a good attitude and will be friendly and respectful to our guild and it's members. Regardless of what server that is and who those people are.
I'm with you here on this one about 90%, the other 10% is the attitude of we don't need people to be friendly with us and we don't need other peoples help. We are a self sufficient machine that has been on the map for a long time now. Now I'm not saying don't be friends with anyone, but odds are the people we make friends with will approach us LONG before we approach them. That's not being elititst or a jerk mentality, it's just how things have always tended to play out because of how we are in game and there is nothing wrong with that.
I think we can all agree that is what is desired most. I am not saying where we should or shouldn't go but that there is a strong possibility that playing with Lunar and his friends and their members "could" lead to a lot of drama that everyone in FA would rather avoid.
In all honesty it could be Lunar, Wolfman, Bob Saget, Obama, A guy from Saturn or tha Loch ness monster. Lunar will be on almost every server, it will just be a different name for a different guy who has the same personality and mental architype. It's something we will not be able to avoid, it's going to happen a lot and on a lot of servers. Ain't no thang.
They don't look like the kind of guys who would support and promote things we wish to do considering they won't even support or work with our leader on where to vote for the server. That is a pretty good sign right there of how things will work.
Most of the people you will meet in life and a game will have their own set of rules and own wants and they will conflict with your own. I could list several Zion factions that did this EXACT thing with us in MxO. We didn't let it affect us or run away, we handled it our way and 9/10 they either changed their opinion or just hated us. If they choose to hate us, spit on our name and curse us on public forums. Let them. No hair off our back and certainly no impact on the Furious Angels' Focus. It's not the first time, it won't be the last.
In the end, please don't take anything I said personal, just my observations based on your own of my previous opinions. We will do our own thing and not worry about this type of stuff as we always have.
Cheers.
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So it seems in one regard these people are succeeding in their effort to create drama. I can see the beginnings of it happening right here on our own very forums. However, we should not forget that the simplest solution to a problem is most likely the correct one. I say we make a post on the SWTOR forums that plainly states that we as a guild do not want to follow the rules or restrictions of an outside governing body and simply want like minded people to join us in picking a server. Those who wish to participate in this "council" are free to do so and those whom wish to follow us to another server by popular vote on the swtor forums are free to do so as well. Any attempt to create drama on the thread should be met with civility or simply ignored. Without sounding egotistical or self righteous we are better than this level of drama. We've dealt with this kind of thing in the past and we've dealt with it by standing apart from the people that create this kind of nonsense.
I fully agree.
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I agree strod. I just personally would like to not go where this council goes. However, there is something to be said for keeping your enemies closer or the evil you know being better than the evil you don't.
I personally like the idea of going to an RP-PVP server. I was just trying to make a point. My vote is for an RP-PVP server.
I try not to let anything like what they are doing get at me, I won't be fueling the fire if one does take place. I just would like to not have to deal with them at all and if that is the plan then I am 100% on board.
Regardless I trust our leaders fully and will support whatever decision is reached.
I am very happy to have found a guild of so many intelligent like minded mature members. I love you guys =) Strod ty for your reply I understand what you mean and I agree fully.
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We like you, too, Cadynn.
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Im glad that everyone who posted on that forum responded in such a way that would show we aren't afraid to do what we want and whatever half-assed Council they come up with won't dictate how we will change this game... because you know we will. Everyone in here has that kind of drive in them to see this guild succeed to the fullest extent and beyond and I'm proud to be a part of it... Lunar can suck it.
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You guys are making me d'awwwwwww.
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So I was under the impression that we're all going to be playing a video game where we use magical swords and laser guns to chase after other players with magical swords and laser guns. Let's not take things toooooo seriously, yes?
Let's play it how we want, where we want and yell, "PEW PEW PEW" in our headsets from time to time.
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So I was under the impression that we're all going to be playing a video game where we use magical swords and laser guns to chase after other players with magical swords and laser guns. Let's not take things toooooo seriously, yes?
Let's play it how we want, where we want and yell, "PEW PEW PEW" in our headsets from time to time.
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