The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Non-VR Games => Topic started by: Deathsythe on November 03, 2011, 09:09:03 am
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"Last month we expanded our Pre-Launch Guild Program with the implementation of Phase 2: Alignment, where guilds could designate other guilds as allies or adversaries. Now, as Star Wars�: The Old Republic� moves ever-closer to launch, we are excited to announce that we have initiated the first part of Phase 3: Deployment!
Phase 3: Deployment will see any guild that meets the pre-designated criteria be transferred into the game for launch. Before we begin this process, though, we want to give all of you who are in guilds the opportunity to make sure your guild meets the following requirement for transfer:
Four members of the guild must have pre-ordered the game and redeemed their Pre-Order Code at the Code Redemption Center.
(NOTE: We have removed the additional requirement for the guild leader to log in to the website and verify that their guild remains active and wants to be imported.)
To help clear up any confusion as to whether or not your guild is ready for deployment, we have now given each guild page a small status indicator. This indicator will show you the number of people in your guild who have pre-ordered the game, and will inform you whether or not your guild meets the criteria for deployment into the game."
And we're good to go, :D
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Tbone should check and see if rp-pvp can be selected for server type.
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http://www.swtor.com/guilds/faq#q3
-The Guild HQ system will be taken offline two weeks after launch to make way for some upgrades. It sounds like all current guild information will be lost in these changes.
-All guilds imported into the game will have the option to decline the invite to whatever server is selected for them. Guilds will be able to re-create their guild on another server, provided that the guild name remains available on that server.
-Guilds imported to one server cannot be transferred to a different server. They will have to create a new guild on their server of choice.
-Guilds that are registered in the Guild Program will be ready at launch. If a guild is not registered with the Guild Program, they will have to wait until a member reaches their side's Capital Planet (Dromund Kaas for the Empire, Coruscant for the Republic) in order to form their guild within the game.
-Once the Pre-Launch Guild Program has ended, all guilds will be contacted via email about their import status into the game. Guilds that were successfully imported will be notified of which server they have been placed on. Once Early Game Access begins, the first character you create on the assigned server will be automatically invited to join your guild. You can choose to accept or decline the invite. If declined, you will be invited again each time you create a character on that server, unless you select the option to ignore future invites.
This last point is key. In order for us to hit the ground running, we'll need everyone with early access to accept the guild invite once they get in.
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Tbone should check and see if rp-pvp can be selected for server type.
Most likely scenario is that we will be placed on a PvP server. If we are placed on an RP-PvP server that's cool, but we aren't banking on it.
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I don't see why they wouldn't place us on the PvP-RP server as we have the RP check selected on our tor guild page. Of course I don't know if our Allies/Enemies do....
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Tbone should check and see if rp-pvp can be selected for server type.
Most likely scenario is that we will be placed on a PvP server. If we are placed on an RP-PvP server that's cool, but we aren't banking on it.
Just read some news stating that no guild will be placed on a RP-PvP server and will have to manually move there. So are we going to just stay on our assigned server or will we move to a RP-PvP server?
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Friday update? Isn't today Thursday?
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Tbone should check and see if rp-pvp can be selected for server type.
Most likely scenario is that we will be placed on a PvP server. If we are placed on an RP-PvP server that's cool, but we aren't banking on it.
EDIT: Just read some news stating that no guild will be placed on a RP-PvP server and will have to manually move their. So are we going to just stay on our assigned server or will we move to a RP-PvP server?
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=10434480#edit10434480
It's ultimately up to the boss man, but I highly doubt we'll switch to an RP-PvP server.
If a guild wishes to exist on an RP-PvP server, they will need to create their guild manually on a new server once they reach their Capital World (Dromund Kaas or Coruscant) and create their guild.
This means that the guild would not be automatically imported into the game. Which opens up the ability for someone else to steal the guild name before we have a chance to create it.
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If it's a RPPVP server or just a PVP server will have almost no impact on us personally. In The Matrix Online, Vector was a PVP sever and we did distinctively well there. It would be nice to be on a server that is based on RP because PVP servers tend to be a lot of trolling and ganking. I understand this is apart of the gaming world today and that's fine I can live with it just like the next Angel. However, the state of mind of said players can dampen certain aspects of the game that would say, not be an issue on a RP based PVP server.
Now keep in mind if you played MxO but didn't play WoW on a PVP server it can be a 100% difference in the "attitude" of people on pure PVP servers between the two different types of games.
In the end, wherever we end up -- we will do just fine.
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If it's a RPPVP server or just a PVP server will have almost no impact on us personally. In The Matrix Online, Vector was a PVP sever and we did distinctively well there. It would be nice to be on a server that is based on RP because PVP servers tend to be a lot of trolling and ganking. I understand this is apart of the gaming world today and that's fine I can live with it just like the next Angel. However, the state of mind of said players can dampen certain aspects of the game that would say, not be an issue on a RP based PVP server.
Now keep in mind if you played MxO but didn't play WoW on a PVP server it can be a 100% difference in the "attitude" of people on pure PVP servers between the two different types of games.
In the end, wherever we end up -- we will do just fine.
I know we will do fine on any server. The thing I'm worried about is that if we stay on pvp server the rp outside of the faction will be almost nonexistent.
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If it's a RPPVP server or just a PVP server will have almost no impact on us personally. In The Matrix Online, Vector was a PVP sever and we did distinctively well there. It would be nice to be on a server that is based on RP because PVP servers tend to be a lot of trolling and ganking. I understand this is apart of the gaming world today and that's fine I can live with it just like the next Angel. However, the state of mind of said players can dampen certain aspects of the game that would say, not be an issue on a RP based PVP server.
Now keep in mind if you played MxO but didn't play WoW on a PVP server it can be a 100% difference in the "attitude" of people on pure PVP servers between the two different types of games.
In the end, wherever we end up -- we will do just fine.
I know we will do fine on any server. The thing I'm worried about is that if we stay on pvp server the rp outside of the faction will be almost nonexistent.
I'm in agreement we need to shoot for a RPPVP server, but if it doesn't happen we'll make it work one way or another.
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If it's a RPPVP server or just a PVP server will have almost no impact on us personally. In The Matrix Online, Vector was a PVP sever and we did distinctively well there. It would be nice to be on a server that is based on RP because PVP servers tend to be a lot of trolling and ganking. I understand this is apart of the gaming world today and that's fine I can live with it just like the next Angel. However, the state of mind of said players can dampen certain aspects of the game that would say, not be an issue on a RP based PVP server.
Now keep in mind if you played MxO but didn't play WoW on a PVP server it can be a 100% difference in the "attitude" of people on pure PVP servers between the two different types of games.
In the end, wherever we end up -- we will do just fine.
I know we will do fine on any server. The thing I'm worried about is that if we stay on pvp server the rp outside of the faction will be almost nonexistent.
I'm in agreement we need to shoot for a RPPVP server, but if it doesn't happen we'll make it work one way or another.
It was stated in the forum thread posted above that any guilds that want to reside on an RP-PvP server must manually form their guild in-game once the guild leader reaches their aligned Capital Planet. The guild will not be automatically imported.
Our best option is to remain on a PvP server so we can start making headway as soon as possible.
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This is a difficult decision. Since RP-PvP isn't an option for automatic transfer, I fear those servers will initially be severely underpopulated with guilds. Plus there's over 25 guilds wanting to game with us as either allies or adversaries (granted, most being 4-10 members), but organizing with all of them to switch servers manually is a real pain.
A thread that was started to organize guilds for RP-PvP currently only has three guilds that I've never heard of signed up for it...
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Our overall happiness as a Guild (excluding game fun etc) will be directly based on 1) Guild activity and 2) Server population.
That said, I'm pretty sure a pure PVP server will be way more populated, thus more fun. An RP PVP server seems a bit niche and I don't think we'll have as much fun/exposure/impact on the world. Not to mention but the last couple games I played where I rolled on an RP server, everyone was so uptight. Having to always worry about speaking in and out of character... ugh. Not only that but don't we define ourselves as LIGHT RP? Going full blown RP seems like a big jump.
Another thing to think about, if you're not in FA and you see us all in uniform, formation and we're approaching you. Either in a friendly or not friendly way. Which is more impressive? If this scenario plays out on an RP server... it's just another day in the life... But if you witness something like this on a PvP server... it's that much more rare. I think it makes a bigger statement/impression.
This is just my opinion. I'll have fun with you guys either way.
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Friday update? Isn't today Thursday?
I'm on vacation, lol. Sorry if my days are a bit off, :P
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I ditto a lot of what likwidtek said. I understand the fear of isolating our heavy RP members and I share that concern. Big picture though, I think that staying PVP would be our best bet starting out the gate. Besides, the awesomeness of our guild and the added level of enjoyment the style brings might start inspiring people in the server to embrace the light RP. We talk about being influential, well then maybe we can influence the sever to fit our style.
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Just got a PM from Jen'Jidai saying they are manually going to get on an RP-PvP server.
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Personally, I'd rather not give the impression that we are following wherever Woodgrain goes. Maybe I'm holding a bit of a grudge, but imagine the ego that would give him.
My main concern is that on an RP-PvP server we will be required to remain in-character. That's what RP is. The RP comes first, and PvP comes second. I like RP, I like developing my character, and I like being immersed in a story. But I don't want it to be a rule that I have to follow.
My other concern is the fact that if we make the jump to an RP-PvP server, we run the risk of losing our guild name if someone else claims it before we can. By sticking to a PvP server, the guild name is guaranteed to be preserved. It will be ours.
The way I see it, and the way I've always seen it, we are a PvP guild that engages in some RP. Not vice-versa.
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Personally, I'd rather not give the impression that we are following wherever Woodgrain goes.
Our allies are also adversaries with Jen'Jidai. My thought is that this is the beginning of everyone we're connected with deciding to do the same.
My main concern is that on an RP-PvP server we will be required to remain in-character.
It's encouraged, but not required. It's not enforced. I believe most RPers are kinda like us, actually. Among themselves they play the game. When dealing with the public, they put on some RP flair.
Honestly my concern with being on just a PvP server is that we'll constantly be asked the question "why aren't you guys on an RP-PvP server if you're gonna do all this RP shit?" I see it become a potential obstacle we're constantly fighting. Every time we want to do something interesting, some jackass will tell us we should switch servers. It won't help that all the other PvPers who engage in RP like us will have made the switch. So instead of being in a PvP server with a community of like-minded folks, we'll be the only ones.
My other concern is the fact that if we make the jump to an RP-PvP server, we run the risk of losing our guild name if someone else claims it before we can. By sticking to a PvP server, the guild name is guaranteed to be preserved. It will be ours.
I think we are the only Furious Angels in the Guild HQ. If we aren't, we're probably the only ones who would go RP-PvP. Even if someone manages to take it, we just use "THE Furious Angels".
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Our overall happiness as a Guild (excluding game fun etc) will be directly based on 1) Guild activity and 2) Server population.
Yes that is true but if we don't have a good community then they in turn will harm us.
That said, I'm pretty sure a pure PVP server will be way more populated, thus more fun. An RP PVP server seems a bit niche and I don't think we'll have as much fun/exposure/impact on the world. Not to mention but the last couple games I played where I rolled on an RP server, everyone was so uptight. Having to always worry about speaking in and out of character... ugh. Not only that but don't we define ourselves as LIGHT RP? Going full blown RP seems like a big jump.
I fully disagree I think that we would have better exposure on a rp-pvp server because it is an rp server unlike on a pvp server where we might not be taken as seriously because we rp. Also BioWare has stated that they will not enforce rp so you wont really have to worry about ic/ooc. Whats wrong with a light rp guild going on rp-pvp server? We are just saying hey we like pvp and rp. Also a handful of us really enjoy rp including myself and will be heavy rpers. I personally will be IC almost all the time and would like to be on a server that supports that.
Another thing to think about, if you're not in FA and you see us all in uniform, formation and we're approaching you. Either in a friendly or not friendly way. Which is more impressive? If this scenario plays out on an RP server... it's just another day in the life... But if you witness something like this on a PvP server... it's that much more rare. I think it makes a bigger statement/impression.
First we have no clue if we will be able to have a functional uniform and we wont be the only guild that uses one no matter what server we are on. Second formations are used all the time in pvp, especially in open world pvp.
@Tbone I don't think the rp-pvp servers will have a problem whatsoever with population.
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It's encouraged, but not required. It's not enforced.
In some games it is. That's why people join RP servers. They want 100% immersion. The hardcore RP'ers will report anyone who isn't in-character, and the GM's enforce it.
Honestly my concern with being on just a PvP server is that we'll constantly be asked the question "why aren't you guys on an RP-PvP server if you're gonna do all this RP shit?" I see it become a potential obstacle we're constantly fighting. Every time we want to do something interesting, some jackass will tell us we should switch servers. It won't help that all the other PvPers who engage in RP like us will have made the switch. So instead of being in a PvP server with a community of like-minded folks, we'll be the only ones.
So we'd rather roll over to appease the people who don't like us? That doesn't sound like FA. We've always done our own thing, despite heavy opposition. It's what we were known for in MxO.
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My other concern is the fact that if we make the jump to an RP-PvP server, we run the risk of losing our guild name if someone else claims it before we can. By sticking to a PvP server, the guild name is guaranteed to be preserved. It will be ours.
This is a good point to consider, I understand we could always add The to our Guild display name. I prefer [Furious Angels] over [The Furious Angels] any day. However, I wouldn't base the decision over a word.
Our allies are also adversaries with Jen'Jidai. My thought is that this is the beginning of everyone we're connected with deciding to do the same.
If we do choose to go to a RP-PVP server, and all of our friends and eniemies do the same: i.e it would be like we were all placed on the RP-PVP server because we all changed to it, I think this would be a very good idea.
In some games it is. That's why people join RP servers. They want 100% immersion. The hardcore RP'ers will report anyone who isn't in-character, and the GM's enforce it.
I understand the concern, but when I think back to MxO and how we played this was never an issue for us. I get that it was never ENFORCED by GMs and you wouldn't get into trouble if you broke RP. However, when did we atually break RP to a point is was in the public and not just with ourselfs at a insectacid location or in a construct farming? The FA Pain Train doesn't count because all we did was steam roll over people in silence. It's a valid concern but not something I think we have to worry about if people stick to the guide lines and "play style" that is a Furious Angel.
So we'd rather roll over to appease the people who don't like us? That doesn't sound like FA. We've always done our own thing, despite heavy opposition. It's what we were known for in MxO.
I understand this point too, it doesn't sit well with me to do so, however I think it's a bit more than that. Putting ourselfs in a potential situation to be constantly hounded by PVPers who don't want to RP and constantly troll us isn't ideal. If we attempt to place ourselfs in an ideal situation it will pay off a lot more in the end. The greifing will be 1000% more intense than Vector from MxO. It really is something to consider avoiding.
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RP rulesets are already listed as suggested and will not be enforced
PVP servers even in beta are a pretty tough crowd. they remind me a lot of servers in WoW already. the community has about the same attitude as 4chan. any ammunition you give them to make fun of you will be used extensively.
you can compromise and let the server assingn us as intended, then let a small group of us who tested the game go to the intended RP-pvp server and level quickly and snag the guild name. from there we can mass migrate if we wish.
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After reading the thoughtful comments of many of you and thinking about the issue a little I think the issue is really a non-issue. Here's why.
We're an RP-PvP guild and we're on a PvP server. We ally with a couple other RP-PvP guilds who end up on our server. We also have some adversaries who are RP-PvP on the same server. Each of those guilds, friend and foe alike, so long as they are similar in mindset to ours will be RP-PvP. Each of those guilds will be allied and opposed by guilds with similar interests. Suddenly there are 10 Republic Guilds and 10 Empire Guilds who all do light RP with PvP and we're all on a PvP server.
So, to the random person, the server says PvP but the huge chunk of players that got imported by guild matching know the community is really RP-PvP.
The problem self corrects itself so long as all of our allies and opposition stay true to our path and don't waiver.
If FA (106 members), Champions of the Force (193 members), and The Guardians (124 members) all end up on the same server that means by our playstyle and our solidarity we control the server community atmosphere. Now extend the web to the next tier. Look at MERC, Jen Jidai.
Do you see the power in the solidarity of just two levels of this kind of web? Self correcting. No problem.
Where's my beta key?!?
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Strod: In MxO we played on a Hostile server, not an RP server. Right?
My biggest concern is still server population. It will suck complete ass if our server is a ghost town. Yes it's possible it'll be super super full... but RP server are always SO LIGHT as they're very niche.. This will kill open world PVP and be not fun at all.
How many of you have played on RP servers before? Maybe I just had a bad experience but in WoW it was blech. Could someone who's played full RP in previous games speak up about the servers that they've played on?
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I played on Antonia Bayle on EQ2 it is one of the heaviest population servers. My experience on AB was pretty phenomenal and in general it was a much better community then the other high pop servers.
It is entirely up to the players to make the server and if our server pulls to many of the wow "standard" crowd then it will suck. No matter the server type.
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personally I don't care where we go to. I don't think the RP PVP or PVP is gonna make a bit of difference...
I was just asked on TS what my thoughts were and my qoute was "I don't give two shits as to where we go."
I think if all of our allies decide to go RP-PVP then we might want to consider going to it.
As far as Adversaries who cares... we are going to have plenty of those wherever we go.
Most important thing for all of our members to remember is this......
WE DON'T DO DRAMA HERE.
We'll discuss it. Come to a general consensus. And move on. That simple. No worries. And don't get your panties in a bunch if it don't go the way you want, because for some of us it's not gonna go the way we want.
Breathe... relax.... Plenty of time before the game starts.
For all we know they'll be a big uproar on the SWTOR forums and they'll change thier mind and place people into a RP-PVP server.
Patience... Diligence... Percieve before you act. Then act with conviction....
That is all
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I will have to agree with Paitryn on the idea of splitting up... Some stay on the assigned server, others rush level 10 and take "Furious Angels" guild name, from there we just decide where to go... personally I prefer "Furious Angels" over "The Furious Angels", like Strod.
@Manic, I too don't like to show Wood that we are following him (and we aren't following specifically him, but thats easily fixed with a reply, "Welcome to the Club, See you on Ilum" or something else that says we already decided to move over there, see you on the Open PvP World.
Also, I gotta agree with couple of Angels here...
First, as Ragnarok sayd... We wont be the only guild with an uniform.
And as Amarantus sayd... if our server pulls to many of the wow "standard" crowd then it will suck. No matter the server type.
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I agree with Lt. Commander Broin, I personally don't care where we go. My thoughts are we will make the best of it no matter where or whom decides to be with us or against us. On a side note at least on a PVP server we will have that opportunity - on an RP server we couldn't so I would say that 100 immersion is really on a PVP server.
What would Star Wars be like if there were no battles?
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My biggest concern is still server population. It will suck complete ass if our server is a ghost town. Yes it's possible it'll be super super full... but RP server are always SO LIGHT as they're very niche.. This will kill open world PVP and be not fun at all.
How many of you have played on RP servers before? Maybe I just had a bad experience but in WoW it was blech. Could someone who's played full RP in previous games speak up about the servers that they've played on?
Man you must of played on some crappy rp servers. All the rp servers I have ever played on have always been medium-high pop wise.
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I'm going to echo Broin and say that wherever we go, things will be awesome. Why? Because all of you guys will be there, and that's what'll make this game a treat.
I could see us awing a PvP server into becoming an unofficial PvP-RP server. I could also see us flourishing in a dedicated RP-PvP environment. Really, we'd do well either way.
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How many of you have played on RP servers before? Maybe I just had a bad experience but in WoW it was blech. Could someone who's played full RP in previous games speak up about the servers that they've played on?
Having spent my entire Lotro life on an RP server I have never once found the population lacking. I can't actually vouch for what the other servers are like, but I always get the sense it is a bit more respectful and mature playerbase. (in the majority of cases that is).
RP rules are apparently enforced, most typically in name choice and area chat.
If the lore in a game is strong enough, you will have a strong RP base. I think SWG saw a large RP base, and lotro has a strong RP base. And I would say it is done to the subject matter. Something we obviously no is in abundance in TOR.
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I generally always go to the rp servers because they generally have a much more mature player base and are generally more respectable in terms of population they are normally mid to high on the population but as with FA you mostly get quality over quantity and we get to avoid the 4chan chat that I'm experiencing alot in beta
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I never had a low pop RP server in wow I left maelstrom because the queue times were becoming too long (they started offering free transfers after a while) and moved to an RP-pve server and still had a pretty mid to high pop. my SWG experience was simply stellar to say the least. The RP was phenomenal, and they still were a good enough community to help out in combat matters and were OOC at those times.
I think in the post wow era we will see the 4chan chat no matter where we go, its just going to be a question of how much of it can we take or want to. as much as I think Guild chat will be my primary go to, im not going to ignore general in the event someone needs our help.
I also think that in terms of making a difference or impact to the game or server, being stuck on a pvp server would make us fight an uphill battle in some ways. While I have no doubt that our PVP capabilities will be phenomenal and give us a lot of respect, I dont think it will be as much as it was in MxO. More like fanboyism at best.
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How many of you have played on RP servers before? Maybe I just had a bad experience but in WoW it was blech. Could someone who's played full RP in previous games speak up about the servers that they've played on?
Which server on WoW? I played on Shadow Council for the couple of years I played WoW, population was never an issue. Never had a wait for queue for PvP instances or dungeons.
Now granted, that wasn't an RP-PvP server. But with RP-PvP servers being included in launch in SWTOR, I don't see population being an issue here.
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I don't remember. It was a long time ago.
This is why I asked everyone else their experience as mine could have been a fluke or just out dated.
Overall, like I said, I'll be happy to play with you guys wherever. I'm excited either way.
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I don't remember. It was a long time ago.
This is why I asked everyone else their experience as mine could have been a fluke or just out dated.
Overall, like I said, I'll be happy to play with you guys wherever. I'm excited either way.
Its seems like yours was a fluke you should have played on Twisting Nether. Im happy do see that a lot of people from TN are coming over. The guy who made the RP-PVP NA Coordination thread was a leader in the community.
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The Guardians, one of our two "allies", have also confirmed going RP-PvP.
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I sense a big discussion at the Monday meeting on this. I would say if you want to put your two cents in you need to be there.
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Luckily, we have yet to schedule any interviews, so it's ok if it gets heated.
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Sounds like this needs a poll.
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I think the current plan is to have the meeting on Monday where everyone can get as educated as possible and then I think we will throw up a poll. We wouldn't want the poll influencing people before the meeting.
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For those who cannot attend the meeting, can we please have some minutes of the meeting so we can all make as best a decision as possible when the poll goes up.
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We usually do. I don't know why we haven't had meeting notes lately.
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I forgot to take them last week, and most other weeks I've been busy with school. I will not be attending the meeting this Tuesday because I have a midterm the next day, so someone else will need to take notes.
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The meeting is on Monday, not Tuesday.
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I meant Monday. I have an exam Tuesday, so I won't be there on Monday. :P