The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Non-VR Games => Topic started by: Paitryn on June 03, 2011, 08:24:36 pm
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So Origin will be the D2D option for SWTOR and not on steam or just directly from the TOR website. I'm not sure how I feel about this new app. Steam is convenient sure, but its a multi-developer third party program for downloading games that provides the versatility gamers want when keeping up with a library of games.
I understand EA's thought process in developing Origin, but I don't think it will be all that useful to us the gamer. We would basically be stuck with EA only games, making it limited in usage.
For those that don't know, origin basically works just like steam with almost all the same steam features. In game overlay, chat, profies, etc.
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I hate steam. I hated EA's installer as well when I had it.
My computer always runs slower with them. In both cases - pass. I'll find the alternative.
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EA Downloader makes me cry. Steam is okay, but I'd rather have a physical disk with artwork and a manual.
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As far as features go, if it comes with a stellar game recorder and compression feature, I may try it out. I think steam/valve does a nice job though; good features, great sales all the time and I just like them better than EA because of the way valve gives out mod tools, sdks, dedicated servers etc...
I do prefer buying the boxed version of really big games tho. I will have the super deluxe what-ever-you-call-it collectors edition of TOR.
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It would be nice if it came with a bunch of SWTOR features, making it easy to see who's in game and all that good stuff. That might actually work out better than having SWTOR be a "non-steam" game.
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I'm usually all about digital distribution i prefer to spend the extra money sometimes for steam versions of games if there are deals elsewhere, but for TOR i'm purchasing whatever boxed edition has the most shit with it whether it be the collectors, legendary, ULTRA EPIC FORCE INFUSED BADASSERY version. They can just take my credit card now...so yea unless Origin is required to patch/update game, it wont be running on my system.
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It would be nice if it came with a bunch of SWTOR features, making it easy to see who's in game and all that good stuff. That might actually work out better than having SWTOR be a "non-steam" game.
It would need a bunch of SWTOR features IMO. out of game achievement tracking, guild info (not just our own profiles). but from the looks of things it is availible on Iphone or droid, so you do have the ability to track some things on Origin everywhere you go.
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You can already download Origin. I'm gonna go ahead and see what it's like and get used to it on my system...
http://www.origin.com/download
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Based on recent post by Stephen Reid bout Origin it will be 100% pointless for me to have on machine, uninstalled!
http://torwars.com/2011/06/15/the-origins-of-swtor-by-stephen-reid/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torwars+%28TORWars%29
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Based on recent post by Stephen Reid bout Origin it will be 100% pointless for me to have on machine, uninstalled!
http://torwars.com/2011/06/15/the-origins-of-swtor-by-stephen-reid/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torwars+%28TORWars%29
I don't see this as new news. It's just like Steam treats MOST games (maybe a few of those Valve games you can't access without Steam?). You can run any of those games without being logged into Steam. But Steam still tracks the hours your in game, achievements, stats, and provides a chat/browser overlay.
So while Origin won't be needed to run the game, I think it will potentially add additional functionality and convenience, especially if there's a mobile version that could link anyone in-game to anyone with a smartphone.
We'll see how Phases 2-4 of Origins end up operating...
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Heh.
A few days after Crysis 2 is pulled from Steam to become an Origin exclusive (though who to blame is down to who you talk to), I get my first Steam-related hoax email saying someone had gifted me Crysis 2. Dodgy links were everywhere, and as usual, not very well disguised either.
Anyone know if Valve have an email address (like banks) that these get forwarded to?
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I know we're supposed to hate Origin and whatnot, but they're selling BF2142 with Northern Strike for $5.
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I boycotted EA for years back in the early 2000s. I finally started to loosen my hatred for their shitty incomplete games as of recently. Between Crysis 2 and likely BF3 not showing up on Steam only reaffirms my original boycott against EA. Steam is a distributor, the same thing as a GameStop or a BestBuy. Steam has been in business for over half a decade. Origin is just a stunt to lure people to their shitty content delivery system so they can eventually reap distribution profits of other games. Downloadable content is risky enough as it is... I'd rather keep all my games in one proven, solid basket, ie. Steam.
On a side not, luckily, it seems EA is mostly only handling distribution so SWTOR still has a chance.
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I boycotted EA for years back in the early 2000s. I finally started to loosen my hatred for their shitty incomplete games as of recently. Between Crysis 2 and likely BF3 not showing up on Steam only reaffirms my original boycott against EA. Steam is a distributor, the same thing as a GameStop or a BestBuy. Steam has been in business for over half a decade. Origin is just a stunt to lure people to their shitty content delivery system so they can eventually reap distribution profits of other games. Downloadable content is risky enough as it is... I'd rather keep all my games in one proven, solid basket, ie. Steam.
On a side not, luckily, it seems EA is mostly only handling distribution so SWTOR still has a chance.
A friend of my brother's has been an engineer at EA for nearly a decade; games he's worked on --> http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,128124/
I've never actually asked him what it's like to work there or what he thinks of the machine they have going on. He's a good guy though, used to always try and pawn off free console games on me and my brother (how I got Madden 09).
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You guys should read the TOS for Origin. If you don't use your games OR your account for two years they will expire. http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ Section 5
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Good thing I plan on playing SWTOR in the next two years.
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You guys should read the TOS for Origin. If you don't use your games OR your account for two years they will expire. http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ Section 5
Wait what that is bullshit man! guess i'll just have to keep logging in every week to make sure that doesn't happen.
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Glad I haven't bought anything or plan to on origin.
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You guys should read the TOS for Origin. If you don't use your games OR your account for two years they will expire. http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ Section 5
EA figured that since DVDs and CDs 'expire' (wear out) after like a hundred years they too could implement a similar 'feature'!
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Total fucking bullshit.
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You guys should read the TOS for Origin. If you don't use your games OR your account for two years they will expire. http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ Section 5
Wait what that is bullshit man! guess I'll just have to keep logging in every week to make sure that doesn't happen.
Steam has a similar clause, actually... It's standard "cover our ass" legalese that will never get invoked.
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You guys should read the TOS for Origin. If you don't use your games OR your account for two years they will expire. http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ Section 5
Wait what that is bullshit man! guess I'll just have to keep logging in every week to make sure that doesn't happen.
Steam has a similar clause, actually... It's standard "cover our ass" legalese that will never get invoked.
The difference is on Steam they say they have the right to at anytime, which allows them to ban accounts. EA says that games WILL expire after 2 years and your account MAY be deleted..
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Like I said earlier, it sounds stupid but, I rather keep all my digital downloads in one place... one emperor to manage rather than many. And because I generally trust Steam more... they've earned respect with me.
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Amen Lithium
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You guys should read the TOS for Origin. If you don't use your games OR your account for two years they will expire. http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ Section 5
Wait what that is bullshit man! guess I'll just have to keep logging in every week to make sure that doesn't happen.
Steam has a similar clause, actually... It's standard "cover our ass" legalese that will never get invoked.
The difference is on Steam they say they have the right to at anytime, which allows them to ban accounts. EA says that games WILL expire after 2 years and your account MAY be deleted..
Incorrect, with regards to EA.
Entitlements are not content. Entitlements are:
""Entitlements" are licensed rights granted, awarded, provided and/or purchased by you to access and/or use online or off-line elements or features of EA Services and/or products. Entitlements include but are not limited to paid and free downloadable content, unlockable content, digital and/or virtual assets, rights of use tied to unlock keys or codes, serial codes and/or online authentication of any kind, in-game achievements and virtual or fictional currency not otherwise governed by a Digital Services Agreement."
And I'd be very surprised if the clause ever gets invoked beyond "yeah, that game wasn't very popular so we're not wasting the bandwidth on its DLC or servers two years later."
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It's like the debt ceiling. It's been raised every year for the past 17 years, but now you guys are pointing it out and complaining to make some sort of point =P
Origin still has several phases to go, so I'm interested to see what the final product will look like.
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It's like the debt ceiling. It's been raised every year for the past 17 years, but now you guys are pointing it out and complaining to make some sort of point.
But what about all the Hope and Change.
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It's like the debt ceiling. It's been raised every year for the past 17 years, but now you guys are pointing it out and complaining to make some sort of point.
But what about all the Hope and Change.
Off-topic: You can't blame Obama for the lack of brains and balls that is our Congress (woohoo reflection of voters!). The current "crisis" really happened when we departed Keynesian economics, and that really became obvious under Dick'n'Bush and their brainless ball-less congress. What I find more baffling is that the Japanese have already gone through all this, yet we're allowed to ignore lessons learned from that and pretend economic principles don't apply to us because our GD-Penis is the biggest.
On-topic: I don't like to crowd my toolbar with two different content managers, but I don't see a problem with Origin from a competitive standpoint. I think it's interesting because this is the opposite of what happened when iTunes and Apple came out first and made content delivery proprietary/vertical and then other services coming along to allow for less restrictive DRM/more flexible development.
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Thank god!
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8488436#edit8488436
Regardless of what other games may choose to do in their integration with Origin's desktop client, here's what our situation is:
You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for Star Wars: The Old Republic.
This applies whether you purchase The Old Republic via Origin.com or from a retailer in boxed form. You will not be forced to install the Origin desktop client.
There are still various consumer benefits to the client itself, but it's not required for The Old Republic.
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Origin scans your computer specially your installed/uninstalled software... and shares it with third parties..
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Origin-EULA-PC-Gaming-Glorified-Spyware-DRM,13285.html#xtor=RSS-181
INSTA uninstall and never installing again... and unless they revert their previous decision canceled my BF3 order.
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Why does BF3 require origin?
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Origin scans your computer specially your installed/uninstalled software... and shares it with third parties..
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Origin-EULA-PC-Gaming-Glorified-Spyware-DRM,13285.html#xtor=RSS-181
INSTA uninstall and never installing again... and unless they revert their previous decision canceled my BF3 order.
Playing devil's advocate for a sec...
In terms of people's issues regarding them checking whose pirated what. How can they tell what you had is a pirated game? If they're scanning installed/uninstalled software, then surely they'll just be seeing your gaming history.
Plus, unless things have changed, having a Crack for a game is not illegal, assuming you own the game. So surely they would have to prove (how?) that you don't own the game, if you are worried about them chasing people regarding piracy.
And, Steam does it too. Every year or so it collects information on your PC. The hardware specs, internet connection and some software specs. They publish that collected information to the public.
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I would love to see where you found that steam shares your information of all your installed programs with the public.
hardware specs != what i'm doing on my computer
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I would love to see where you found that steam shares your information of all your installed programs with the public.
hardware specs != what I'm doing on my computer
Here you go... http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
At no point did I say it dishes out individual reports. However, the collated information is available for anyone who wants it.
Furthermore, while it doesn't collect information on every bit of software, it does collect information on "some". I guess those it deems popular or well-known.
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I would love to see where you found that steam shares your information of all your installed programs with the public.
hardware specs != what I'm doing on my computer
Here you go... http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
At no point did I say it dishes out individual reports. However, the collated information is available for anyone who wants it.
Furthermore, while it doesn't collect information on every bit of software, it does collect information on "some". I guess those it deems popular or well-known.
You have to opt in for steam to even log that stuff and then send it in. You have to click at least three buttons for it to do it every time it checks.
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Im betting that in order to play the early access of swtor that you will have to download it via origin. Considering thats how they are distributing the bf3 open beta, Im assuming they will use it for early access of swtor.
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Meh. The possability of surfing the internet or downloading software without some kind of tracking of what I do or what I have installed vanished long ago.
We have absolutely no support for security and/or what kind of personal information is used by folks like EA from the US government. There are the occasional hints of help, but nothing has really been done to solidify our rights online, ever. Unless it's kiddy porn or true blue identity theft, noone really seems to care.
So personally, I just chalk this off as one more way corporations run the world and I don't. I haven't given up hope, by any means; I just think that boycotting Origin or any other single distributor/method of distribution isn't going to make a difference. The source of the problem has to be delt with. The Government who is supposed to protect us isn't.