FA Discussion => Non-VR Games => Topic started by: Ragnarok on January 02, 2011, 01:42:51 pm
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Ragnarok on January 02, 2011, 01:42:51 pm
So the topic of this thread is going to be morality and you, more specifically how it will affect your character and gameplay. This whole thread is going to be based off of deductive reasoning and could be 100% wrong, also none of this has been revealed.
So to start out I'm going to cover the 3 possible sides of the morality that you could possibly follow.
I guess we will start out with the iconic light/good. In my opinion we can perceive this as holding the defensive, buffing, and healing abilities. So this may be the route for healers/buffers/Tanks? to go.
Next I guess we have gray/neutral if they even implement it. From this we could see abilities such as a roar from a guardian that bolsters allies while debuffing the target. These abilities would be some where in between defensive and offensive.
Last but not least we have darkside/bad. They are most likely the opposite of light side. Their abilities will most likely be offensive, debuffing type abilities. DPS may want to go this route.
So I want to know what route you are going to go and why, also what do you think it is going to have instore for you?
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Anamodiel on January 02, 2011, 05:29:29 pm
I think I'm going to play a mostly light/moral person, and that plays well into my healing/buffing persona that I'd like to play.
Of course, nothing is ever totally black/white, so there's definitely some gray lines that I'll be walking.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Arawn on January 02, 2011, 05:41:08 pm
true dat! ive seen on some videos that everything changes depending on your decision... so i think im going for light decisions... however... it all depends, the gray option fits my rp i guess... so im going for a mix between the two.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Manic Velocity on January 02, 2011, 07:31:21 pm
Will morality even matter for non-force users?
I'd say Smugglers would be the ultimate in moral ambiguity.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Arawn on January 02, 2011, 07:47:23 pm
Smugglers and BH will just do what ever works better for their interests and Trooper and Imperial Agents have to take orders so i dunno if their morality matters :S
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Ragnarok on January 02, 2011, 08:22:49 pm
Quote from: "ManicVelocity"
Will morality even matter for non-force users?
I'd say Smugglers would be the ultimate in moral ambiguity.
Maybe they haven't stated that it wouldn't, so I'm just going to assume it will until we get more info.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Tbone on January 02, 2011, 10:39:42 pm
Honestly, it'll probably depend on what abilities unlock depending on which direction you go. I don't think I could make myself play too dark, even if the abilities are better suited towards me.
In terms of personal RP, I'm good but make tough decisions, often times circumventing the Jedi Council since we are operating our own organization.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Venlar on January 02, 2011, 11:51:02 pm
I always have a tendency to play a DPS character but a paragon morally. For example my character in Dragon Age is a Berserker which by technicality is an evil class but I continually make the right moral choices in the game. I have a very ying yang thing going on. =p
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Fuse on January 03, 2011, 10:54:26 am
I've always walked the line of good/bad. I love being mysterious and part of that is being very close with the enemy. I've always been very friendly with reds, with the understanding that if provoked, they would pay dearly for it.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2011, 11:21:22 am
Proverb:To make a good omelette you have to break a few eggs...
Meaning: In order to achieve something, it is inevitable and necessary that something should be destroyed.
That pretty much sums up my thoughts right there.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Manic Velocity on January 03, 2011, 11:41:17 am
Quote from: "Yotogi"
Proverb:To make a good omelette you have to break a few eggs...
Meaning: In order to achieve something, it is inevitable and necessary that something should be destroyed.
That pretty much sums up my thoughts right there.
Amen to that.
I was thinking that Smugglers and Bounty Hunters are essentially the same character. The only difference being who they work for. Any loyalty they pledge is dubious and temporary, and they're both just trying to earn some quick cash. Everything is a means to their own ends.
I suppose Bounty Hunters are more willing to kill for their cash. But I wouldn't put it past a Smuggler to off someone who gets in their way. Hell, even light-side Jedi are willing to kill if the situation calls for it. Was it morally right for Luke to kill over a million people (many of whom were innocent civilians contracted by the Empire) when he blew up the Death Star?
Can there really ever be a true "light" or "dark" Jedi? What does that even mean? And who in the SW universe determines what constitutes "light" and "dark" anyway? All anyone is ever trying to do is survive, which is a concept that is in no way inherently good or bad.
Now my brain hurts!
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: JazzyC on January 03, 2011, 12:23:57 pm
Smugglers I've always seen as having a line they wouldn't cross, while Bounty Hunters don't.
That is a generalisation and obviously couldn't apply to both.
I'm going along the lines that Smugglers have a set of standards/codes/rules that they'll abide by. There being a level they wouldn't go across because they find it abhorrent or below the belt. Nevertheless, that line has a tendency to become fuzzy when the heat is on and a big payday is waiting.
I think I see myself having a set of morals. Granted a set far lower than the Jedi and Troopers out there, but there being a set to go by. But, if push came to shove, I guess I'd make some decisions I'd regret in the future if it preserved my present.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Ragnarok on January 03, 2011, 03:45:03 pm
My character will be going darkside, but maybe not 100% dark. It fits in with his rp as he is extremely jaded and his morals are corrupted. Now this doesn't mean he likes the sith or is even neutral towards them. Quite frankly he would see to it that every last one was dead.
Gameplay wise since we are pvp heavy I wanted to give my character a little extra firepower. Also I think light may be more pve focused when it comes to a vanguard, so I didn't want to get any useless abilities.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Arawn on January 03, 2011, 05:08:39 pm
For me... there actually isint any "Good/Bad" or "Right/Wrong" any more than a point of view... for a sith it is good to kill people and rely on the power of the dark side to get even more power...
But, since there really is a point of view... and that is, the developers trying to make a General Point of View reflecting the Star Wars Universe, i guess i will have to go down the good path unless i find some really annoying npc/quest or anything else i CBF with... then ill go the neutral or the mean way
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Valkyris on January 11, 2011, 01:12:06 pm
Quote from: "Tbone"
Honestly, it'll probably depend on what abilities unlock depending on which direction you go. I don't think I could make myself play too dark, even if the abilities are better suited towards me.
In terms of personal RP, I'm good but make tough decisions, often times circumventing the Jedi Council since we are operating our own organization.
I'm with you in more ways than one, especially the later comment. The only way I would ever get darkside points, is if they give them for going against the council, for the better of everyone, including the council itself. I hope to be miraluka, and by way of that, see the world as it "truly" is, lending toward a search for knowledge, which may lead me to make difficult choices, but always for good, never for evil... thats a rant if i ever saw one lol.... lets just say I like Qui-Gon....
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Saint on January 11, 2011, 03:31:58 pm
Jinn wasnt Miraluka :)
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Keeloth on January 11, 2011, 09:00:27 pm
I'm curious to know what FA's stance on things like romance will be. While marriage in this time period is occasionally permitted by the Council, it's still pretty much verboten and there is a quest where you turn in a Jedi couple and get awarded Light side points for it. If that's anything like common, I'm going to have a lot of grey.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Ragnarok on January 11, 2011, 09:37:11 pm
The jedi counsel doesn't prohibit marriage. The potential husband and wife must just convince the counsel that they love each other no more than the person next to them. Marriage in the order is seen as a way of preserving force bloodlines.Two jedi strong in the force may marry to preserve their force bloodline. If they would have a kid they would be intern populating the world with another strong jedi. Marriage was also seen as something that could make some one fall to the dark side.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Tbone on January 11, 2011, 09:44:09 pm
Quote from: "Keeloth"
I'm curious to know what FA's stance on things like romance will be.
Tbone gets first pick!
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Arawn on January 11, 2011, 09:48:06 pm
Actually... I think the Order prohibited Jedis to marry because having 2 strong jedis marry and having a kid... then that kid would have even more super powers and become a threat to the balance in the force... Althou at the time of the Old Republic... Its not THAT forbidden and it is not until couple of thousands more years that it really becomes a taboo within the jedi ranks to marry.
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Broin on January 11, 2011, 09:49:04 pm
Seriously... he's not kidding. Tbone has issued the right of Primo Nocta for himself.
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Manic Velocity on January 11, 2011, 10:42:34 pm
This is why I could never RP as a Jedi. All these rules and orders telling you what you can't or mustn't do. Are Jedi not allowed to be happy or something? Is every Jedi supposed to be as cold and unfeeling as stone?
It seems like everything, even love for fuck's sake, is somehow a temptation to the dark side. Are Jedi not allowed to enjoy the simple things in life? Maybe play a few rounds of basketball? Will the winners risk feeling a sense of pride, thus leading to arrogance, thus leading to the dark side? Or will the losers risk feeling jealousy, thus leading to vengeance, thus leading to the dark side? Will the spectators place bets on the game? I'm sure the Jedi Council forbids gambling because it leads to greed which leads to the dark side.
It seems being a Jedi means having to constantly walk on egg shells to ensure that you aren't tempted by the dark side. As if your conscience is so thin and so fragile that any minor deviation from your Jedi training will prove disastrous for you and everyone around you.
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Tbone on January 11, 2011, 10:49:56 pm
Quote from: "ManicVelocity"
It seems like everything, even love for fuck's sake, is somehow a temptation to the dark side.
Love = Herpes = Discomfort = DARK SIDE
Quote from: "Manicvelocity"
Maybe play a few rounds of basketball? Will the winners risk feeling a sense of pride, thus leading to arrogance, thus leading to the dark side? Or will the losers risk feeling jealousy, thus leading to vengeance, thus leading to the dark side? Will the spectators place bets on the game? I'm sure the Jedi Council forbids gambling because it leads to greed which leads to the dark side.
I'm pretty sure being force-sensitive just means being bi-polar
Quote from: "Manicvelocity"
It seems being a Jedi means having to constantly walk on egg shells to ensure that you aren't tempted by the dark side.
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Keeloth on January 11, 2011, 11:02:36 pm
Quote from: "ManicVelocity"
It seems being a Jedi means having to constantly walk on egg shells to ensure that you aren't tempted by the dark side. As if your conscience is so thin and so fragile that any minor deviation from your Jedi training will prove disastrous for you and everyone around you.
I think that the Order can certainly be like this under certain Councils, but I believe there are other Councils that are more understanding on the subject. Regardless, it'll be fun to thumb my nose at the Council...maybe even disconnect them mid-transmission.
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Venlar on January 13, 2011, 04:36:16 pm
Quote from: "ManicVelocity"
This is why I could never RP as a Jedi. All these rules and orders telling you what you can't or mustn't do. Are Jedi not allowed to be happy or something? Is every Jedi supposed to be as cold and unfeeling as stone?
It seems like everything, even love for fuck's sake, is somehow a temptation to the dark side. Are Jedi not allowed to enjoy the simple things in life? Maybe play a few rounds of basketball? Will the winners risk feeling a sense of pride, thus leading to arrogance, thus leading to the dark side? Or will the losers risk feeling jealousy, thus leading to vengeance, thus leading to the dark side? Will the spectators place bets on the game? I'm sure the Jedi Council forbids gambling because it leads to greed which leads to the dark side.
It seems being a Jedi means having to constantly walk on egg shells to ensure that you aren't tempted by the dark side. As if your conscience is so thin and so fragile that any minor deviation from your Jedi training will prove disastrous for you and everyone around you.
You underestimate the power of the dark side... which = killing Samuel L. Jackson!
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Arawn on January 13, 2011, 04:46:42 pm
Anakin got him killed... which could make one think that the Light Side killed him not the other way around...
He was always jedi, a very corrupted one... but a jedi nontheless, not a Sith.
Thoughts?
Title: Morality and you?
Post by: Manic Velocity on January 13, 2011, 05:51:12 pm
Quote from: "Venlar"
You underestimate the power of the dark side... which = killing Samuel L. Jackson!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-isAmaVbsM
Apparently these forums don't want me to embed youtube videos. :\
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: JazzyC on January 16, 2011, 06:31:37 am
Quote from: "Keeloth"
While marriage in this time period is occasionally permitted by the Council, it's still pretty much verboten and there is a quest where you turn in a Jedi couple and get awarded Light side points for it.
I just wanted to add to this after reading a little preview in PC Gamer UK this month. I would consider this a Spoiler if you don't like reading about these quests beforehand.
/Spoiler (Highlight to reveal) You can talk to the couple and they offer you a lightsaber crystal if you don't turn them in. Thus, you can lie to the council and say you broke them up (don't know whether that gives you dark points or whatever). But it doesn't stop there. On returning to the couple you can lecture them on whether their studies are more important or whether they truly do love each other. And you can also opt to decline the crystal should you so choose. (I guess the basis for that is you weren't doing for your own benefit). /Spoiler end
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Phienyx on March 03, 2011, 07:25:53 pm
My character would be more of the aggressive offense type by nature and training, being a former imperial spec ops trooper. However his jedi training has given him a balance he didn't have previously.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Ragnarok on March 03, 2011, 08:40:17 pm
Quote from: "Phienyx"
My character would be more of the aggressive offense type by nature and training, being a former imperial spec ops trooper. However his jedi training has given him a balance he didn't have previously.
Hmm...very interesting I cant wait to read your character backstory.
Title: Re: Morality and you?
Post by: Phienyx on March 03, 2011, 10:15:09 pm
I have a back story written but I would need to rework it for the earlier time frame in SW history. The basics is that he deserted when he found out the true nature of the empire. I know it'll have to be one hell of a story as there is also the issue of training beginning at an "older" age is generally frowned upon. ....but I'll not go any further off topic.