The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Tbone on July 30, 2010, 01:35:26 pm
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Please test our site and report any bugs. (especially Mac users)
http://liquiware.net/yotogi/swtor/splash/splash.html
UNSOLVED BUGS:
-We're having some issues with our new flash site involving Mac users and people using Flash 9. Most of us don't have a Mac, so it's really hard to troubleshoot. Please report any weird bugs you find (windows not loading in the right place, text in the wrong place, etc.). Also, if you wouldn't mind trying to make sure you have the most recent version of flash and see if there's anything you can do on your end to fix it. We're not sure if it is a bug in our coding or an issue with Flash that Mac users have to fix on their end.
FIXED:
-If you pause the audio, then resume it, the audio plays to the end and stops, instead of continuing to loop.
-Pressing play repeatedly causes multiple versions of the audio to begin to play and disables the pause button
-The top tip of the right wing doesn't activate the wing on mouseover.
FEATURES NOT IMPLEMENTED YET:
-Get youtube videos to stream in the flash.
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I updated Flash to the latest version (10.1) on my mac and the known issues remain. I tested it on Safari and Firefox. I'll test on Camino to see if the problem is browser specific.
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I know we discussed these but I will list them here.
-Continuously pressing the play button raises the volume
On Mac:
Animations do not take place when buttons are clicked. Content appears behind angel symbol and the circle around the symbol simply disappears.
On a side note, I just saw the correct version on my pc at work. Looks amazing Yotogi!
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Thanks Adad, also all buttons (Article Links, Movie Posters, Login/Register) now have the pop-up animation just like the parts of the angel.
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Awesome, and I see u fixed the slight movement after the angel loads. Nice! Do you want to add that pop-up button animation to the Skip Intro button too?
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I still see the slight movement after the angel loads.
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Not sure if intentional or not.
However (looking at the angel); the top triangle on the right hand side does not make the whole wing pop up. Conversly, on the left hand side it does (i.e not symmetrical).
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I get the slight movement as well. I'm not seeing what NoCry is talking about.
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I'll test on Camino to see if the problem is browser specific.
Tested on Camino. It looks like it's definitely mac-specific.
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I'm not seeing what NoCry is talking about.
If you mouse-over the top portion of the left wing of the angel, the whole wing pops up. However, if you mouse-over the same top portion of the right wing, nothing happens.
Good find, NoCry.
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Ah, gotcha
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Not sure if intentional or not.
However (looking at the angel); the top triangle on the right hand side does not make the whole wing pop up. Conversely, on the left hand side it does (I.e not symmetrical).
FIXED. But not currently uploaded to servers.
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I still see the slight movement after the angel loads.
FIXED. And latest changes have been uploaded to the server.
http://liquiware.net/yotogi/swtor/splash/main.html
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-If you pause the audio, then resume it, the audio plays to the end and stops, instead of continuing to loop.
-Pressing play repeatedly causes multiple versions of the audio to begin to play and disables the pause button
FIXED. And uploaded changes to the server.
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Good work everyone! If we can just get it to work on a Mac, we'll be ready to go Live!
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Don't want to descriminate. Except for the Sith. Those guys can go die.
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This is truly epic, 'togi and the others involved! I did a Neo 'Woah' during the animation when I pressed 'research'. The only tid bit I could find that's hardly worth mentioning is that on the lower left wing, it pops up when you're a good distance away (between the login and research) but on the right wing it only pops up when you scroll over it from the bottom (which I presume is the way it's supposed to be).
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The Mac issue may be a lost cause for now. Yotogi and I troubleshooted this last night.
There has been a recent Flash update for Windows that is not yet available for OSX. Yotogi managed to find a beta version (codenamed "Gala") of the next OSX release, while I uninstalled Flash completely from my Mac. I installed Gala, but this did not resolve the issue.
Is it possible for the flash content to do an OS check of the user's computer? If it determines that the user is on a Mac, then a block of text pops up explaining that the user must be using Windows to view the content. It's not an ideal solution, but I'm not sure how else to handle it.
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I know there isn't anything like that in the Flash Program's Publish settings but I'm sure somewhere someone has created a snippet of code that does what you mention.
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Are we going to run into this same problem with our challenge?
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Wont know until we try it
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Is it possible for the flash content to do an OS check of the user's computer? If it determines that the user is on a Mac, then a block of text pops up explaining that the user must be using Windows to view the content. It's not an ideal solution, but I'm not sure how else to handle it.
I know there's a way using javascript:
http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html
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You need to google around and find the specific functionality that Mac does not support. You then need to perform that functionality in a different way. Or you should give the source code to Adad so he can load it on a Mac and see if he can rewrite that part to perform the same animation in a way that works on Mac. Either way, welcome to cross-platform programming.
I wrote a javascript (that is hopefully temporary) to redirect based on OS detection. It'll make it's way to you guys.
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We got the redirect working, and the code is there for Yotogi to add.
Still researching the Mac flash problems...can't find anything specific since the Mac has SO MANY issues with flash (most of the stuff I find is the bickering between the two companies).
Also, we still need to get another fresh copy of the "All Good Things" movie, but that could be done post-release as well.
Really the Mac issue is the only thing keeping us from going live with it.
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I love the music. Sunshine right?
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It'd be nice to go live with this today, since it is August 1st and we wanted to have SOMETHING done by August.
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I love the music. Sunshine right?
correct.
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Thefuriousangels.com stuff
The SW:TOR intro has no loading screen. I reloaded it 3 times thinking it was broken. There needs to be some sort of indicator to wait while loading. Nothing fancy like a % maybe just a spinning something with a “loading”. You have no idea how quickly people will click away if they feel it’s not working.
The intro screen as well as the main.html section needs to be optimized for standard resolution browsing or scale to the resolution in which it is being viewed. For example my laptop at work which has a very common 1280 x 800 res, the bottom of the intro that shows skip is hidden and I have to scroll down. Once past the intro, it’s all misaligned and without scrolling you can’t see any of the roll over text from the angel logo. I use an alternative browser but when loading it up in IE with all the default bars turned on it looks all cut off and uneven. IE at lower res is still the standard with most people unfortunately.
Here are screens of what it looks like at a very common screen setup.
Followtheangel.org stuff
This is merely my opinion but I feel I would share it. I think the non FA section of the forums should be exposed (read only) even if you haven’t registered. In addition any other non FA content maybe? I feel the “Welcome Back”, “Menu”, “Tor News” and stuff could add a little more extra content for would be passer bys?
Anyway just some thoughts.
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7522/8192010122018pm.th.png) (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/8192010122018pm.png/)
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4065/8192010121814pm.th.png) (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/8192010121814pm.png/)
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Actually, IE with a lower resolution is probably the LEAST common thing now a days. I just looked up statistics, and Firefox has over 46% of the usage and I'm pretty sure I read once somewhere that more than 50% of resolutions are bigger than 1024x768.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp
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1280 x 800 *is* larger than 1024 x 768
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Either way, is scrolling that big of an issue?
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I feel like if your resolution is that low, then you are probably used to scrolling.
I agree we need a loading screen. I thought we added one, but I guess it isn't working as intended.
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So after taking a swing at it with my mac, which is practically useless as it is since it's still running OSX 10.4, it looks great but has some long loading times without anything to tell you stuff is happening.
I'm really impressed from a visual standpoint though, and the performance undoubtably is affected by my house's crappy interntet, but whatever I won't live here much longer so who cares.
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I think the solution for maximum compatibility might be to ditch the Flash site. Flash is dying anyway. I think something using Javascript or jQuery would be best compatible. I'm currently learning how to write it, so I'll try and make a mock up your Flash thing as practice. Might be a couple of weeks though.
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It's flash, you can just scale and center to your page so it looks the same no matter what screen res you're running or even if someone doesn't run their browser maximized. It's an easy fix. Nothing even really needs be recoded.
Either way, just wanted to toss in my $.02
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Could someone on a Mac please test again. I don't think this will fix the issue but I have changed the embedding method to use SWFObject.
http://thefuriousangels.com/main.html
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Tested on Mac. Now the music plays and you can pause it, but none of the other parts of the site work. May I ask, with no offense intended whatsoever, why are we using Flash?
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Tested on Mac. Now the music plays and you can pause it, but none of the other parts of the site work. May I ask, with no offense intended whatsoever, why are we using Flash?
Adobe Flash (formerly Macromedia Flash) is a multimedia platform used to add animation, video, and interactivity to Web pages.
We wanted a site with animation, video, and interactivity. Do I need to go into more detail?
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Thanks T. Though, I feel you're offended. I said "no offense intended". I wasn't saying it was a bad choice, just wondering specifically why it was made. There are other ways to add animation, video, and interactivity to a website. However, I'm assuming nobody knows Javascript, PHP, mySQL, and advanced HTML so as to make a fully compatible website without using Flash.
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Let's see, I could teach myself 3 different things and make a crappy website or I could just save myself a lot of trouble and expand on the knowledge I already have with 1 product while at the same time making a pretty kickass site.
You do the math.
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Let's see, I could teach myself 3 different things and make a crappy website or I could just save myself a lot of trouble and expand on the knowledge I already have with 1 product while at the same time making a pretty kickass site.
You do the math.
That depends actually, is this a government project?
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Let's see, I could teach myself 3 different things and make a crappy website or I could just save myself a lot of trouble and expand on the knowledge I already have with 1 product while at the same time making a pretty kickass site.
You do the math.
That depends actually, is this a government project?
Well, seeing as Broin's here...
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Thanks T. Though, I feel you're offended. I said "no offense intended". I wasn't saying it was a bad choice, just wondering specifically why it was made. There are other ways to add animation, video, and interactivity to a website. However, I'm assuming nobody knows Javascript, PHP, mySQL, and advanced HTML so as to make a fully compatible website without using Flash.
I suppose you don't know how to use that either, or you would have already noticed that the site you're posting on currently uses Javascript, PHP, mySQL, and HTML.
You don't seem satisfied with the results - or even Flash for that matter. You're treating it like I decided to do my final art project in crayon. There's no reason to have to create a mySQL database and code in three different languages for something as simple as a little teaser page with three or four bits of information.
If you aren't saying it was a bad choice, then why bring up other ways of doing it? Other than the Mac issue we are sorting through, why try to make the project more difficult than it has to be?
We've been working on the recruitment challenge in flash for months. I hope your comment AFTER we finish the whole thing isn't "you should have done the whole thing in Javascript". It's not very constructive feedback AFTER the project is already done.
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Thanks T. Though, I feel you're offended. I said "no offense intended". I wasn't saying it was a bad choice, just wondering specifically why it was made. There are other ways to add animation, video, and interactivity to a website. However, I'm assuming nobody knows Javascript, PHP, mySQL, and advanced HTML so as to make a fully compatible website without using Flash.
I suppose you don't know how to use that either, or you would have already noticed that the site you're posting on currently uses Javascript, PHP, mySQL, and HTML.
You don't seem satisfied with the results - or even Flash for that matter. You're treating it like I decided to do my final art project in crayon. There's no reason to have to create a mySQL database and code in three different languages for something as simple as a little teaser page with three or four bits of information.
If you aren't saying it was a bad choice, then why bring up other ways of doing it? Other than the Mac issue we are sorting through, why try to make the project more difficult than it has to be?
We've been working on the recruitment challenge in flash for months. I hope your comment AFTER we finish the whole thing isn't "you should have done the whole thing in Javascript". It's not very constructive feedback AFTER the project is already done.
It's an alternative, I think is all he was trying to say. Flash is a powerful tool, and probably the best option for this, but this whole mac thing is going to annoy a few people. What we need to think of is a fix, or another way of going about it.
As far as feedback AFTER the project is already done, it's a bit immature to think that it's not constructive afterwards. Isn't that how we learn the most? Once you finish a project, being told what's wrong with it, so that you can learn from your mistakes?
Either way, has anyone posted on forums or anything like that to try and get some answers at some flash forums or something?
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I specifically said "no offense intended" because I knew someone wouldn't take the criticism well.
No, I don't know how to "use" those things, but I know what they are, and I know they are in use on the page. Just like I know what Flash is, so I don't need you to talk down to me like I'm a child.
No, I'm not satisfied with the results. Am I obligated to be, just because the FA is working on it?
My main computer is a Mac, so it is a useless challenge to me as an individual user. I don't know if you need SQL or not. I can't see the challenge, so I have no idea what it needs or doesn't need.
If you can fix the Mac thing, then it's the greatest choice in the history of mankind. Until then, it's not up to par, IMO.
From the beginning, I was just curious about the decision since I wasn't here when it was made. I was curious if other alternatives were considered. I was curious if they could be implemented. I just wanted some clarity, and instead I got insecurity and rudeness from the person that's supposed to be leading by example.
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You can simply put an OS detect and redirect to a static page saying they need to view the page on a PC. Less annoying than it being broken.
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I'm not trying to be harsh, but you aren't being constructive. As far as I can see, the only issue we have is with compatibility, and that isn't a problem inherit with Flash (unless you are using an iPhone/iPad where they block it), which means there's just something with our code that we need to fix.
I'm not asking you to drink the "FA Kool-aid". I'm just saying that if you are going to criticize the hard work of others, constructive criticism is going to be a lot more helpful and go a longer way than just knocking it down.
I think the solution for maximum compatibility might be to ditch the Flash site. Flash is dying anyway.
Not constructive.
why are we using Flash?
Still not constructive, but we get that you don't like flash.
However, I'm assuming nobody knows Javascript, PHP, mySQL, and advanced HTML
Again, not constructive. There it sounds like you are implying we're so ignorant with coding that we chose Flash because we don't even know HTML.
All of my coders and developers are busy working on the challenge (which is different than this site), and we're on a tight deadline, so I don't want to pull them off project to go back to this at the moment. We need to keep our priorities straight and keep our tasks manageable. Ditching Flash for the site and certainly for the challenge would delay the whole thing at least months, if not inevitably. Not to mention it should certainly be easier just to find the Mac compatibility solution.
I know you didn't mean offense, but you sounded like a nay-sayer. It's like if I brought everybody apples and you looked at it and said "why an apple? it's not as healthy as you think" instead of saying "oh, you know what would go good with apples - I have this cool recipe for apple pie."
I want criticism that takes our apples to apple pie. I don't want to feel like someone wants to throw away my apple that I hand-picked for hours and tell me to go get an orange instead because they prefer the smell or look of them.
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You can simply put an OS detect and redirect to a static page saying they need to view the page on a PC. Less annoying than it being broken.
Currently that's what we have - or had, I believe. It redirects you to followtheangel.org if you are using a Mac or iPhone.
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It must have been taken off, because I wasn't re-directed.
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I'm trying Safari on my PC.
Using Google Chrome, when I go to the site the angel appears for just an instance and then goes black. It is black for a while and then the movie plays.
Using Safari, the angel remains on screen and the movie does not play (I've been waiting for over a minute...on Chrome it just takes a few seconds, so I assume it isn't even starting to buffer or load).
The rest of the site, however, works just fine on Safari for PC.
Edit: Ok, I just tried on Chrome and it is now just showing me the angel and is not playing the movie. It doesn't even look like there is any data being transferred. Lithium, did you disable the splash video? Anyway, site works the same on Safari as it is on everything else, so it must be with Mac's version of Flash and not just Safari.
Edit again: Well, this is interesting. I just looked at it on IE and the movie still won't load, but even worse, the angel that is in its place is all pixelated and jagged. Strange.
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Ok, Lith said he probably did something during his tests, so the video load should be fixed soon.
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I tested out the site, I dont have a mac but when I went to the link it took about a minute for it to load on my pc. I almost gave up. However when it started I was like wow this is awsome. really made me proud to be an Angel fighting for the Light. I only wish it was longer, I was really getting into it. Everything seemed to work, except when I tried to ascend it said I wasnt ready :(
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Thanks for your response Tbone. Sorry for being a naysayer. I really do appreciate the work being put into the challenge (even though I don't really know what it looks like ;P). I know programming is a bitch. My complains are with Adobe and Apple for making Flash so incompatible with Macs.
I really do hope you guys find a solution, because the largest possible audience should see the hard work being put in. My intentions were only to start a dialogue, even if I didn't have the answers. That's just the way I work. I think it's a result of my filmmaking background.
To use your example, let's say we're selling our apple pies. If there's a group that's allergic to apples, maybe there's a different pie we can sell them that tastes as delicious, even if we can't use the apple you spent time picking.
Again, that's my filmmaking background. When a screenplay and an edit goes through a million drafts, you learn that sometimes you need to throw away great ideas if it doesn't fit the movie as a whole. We call it "killing our babies". However, I do understand though that in web development, sometimes it isn't the most prudent way to go about things, especially after so much work has already been invested.
Godspeed to those working on the challenge. I really wish I had the knowledge to help you out.
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I tested out the site, I don't have a mac but when I went to the link it took about a minute for it to load on my pc. I almost gave up. However when it started I was like wow this is awsome. really made me proud to be an Angel fighting for the Light. I only wish it was longer, I was really getting into it. Everything seemed to work, except when I tried to ascend it said I wasnt ready :(
Yeah, at the very least we need a loading bar so you know something is actually loading. I'm not sure why it takes so long, though. I guess we need to try and compress the video more...
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I need a Mac user to test out this version. It was independently published so the fonts are not correct. However, I'd like to see if the animations work.
http://thefuriousangels.com/main2.html
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No luck. When you click a button, nothing happens and they become unclickable
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See if this link is helpful: http://www.actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=94149
Modify the HTML page.
The easiest fix is to specify AllowScriptAccess="always" in the HTML page, as in this example:
<object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase=" http://fpdownload.adobe.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=8,0,0,0" width="550" height="400" align="middle">
<param name="movie" value="http://otherdomain.com/exampleContent.swf">
<param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always">
<embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.adobe.com/go/getflashplayer" width="550" height="400" align="middle" src="http://otherdomain.com/exampleContent.swf" allowScriptAccess="always"></embed>
</object>
<param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always">
allowScriptAccess="always">
Only specify AllowScriptAccess="always" if you trust the SWF file that you are embedding, for example, if you are the author of the SWF file or if you believe that the author of the SWF file is trustworthy. Be aware that specifying AllowScriptAccess="always" has other effects beyond permitting getURL and navigateToURL to renavigate a window or frame. It also permits the SWF file to execute JavaScript code in the context of your HTML page or frame.
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No luck. When you click a button, nothing happens and they become unclickable
Same here.
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Well, we tried the code I posted above with no luck, I guess (I assume Lithium added it).
The problem we are having is with the links within Flash. Everything else loads up fine, but when a link is clicked, the animation doesn't occur and so you just get stuck. Has anyone tried using IE on a Mac to see if that changes anything?
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Well, we tried the code I posted above with no luck, I guess (I assume Lithium added it).
The problem we are having is with the links within Flash. Everything else loads up fine, but when a link is clicked, the animation doesn't occur and so you just get stuck. Has anyone tried using IE on a Mac to see if that changes anything?
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the browser. It's an incompatibility with Mac. We need adad or someone with the flash studio Mac to make themselves available for half an hour on TS so we can see what error comes up in the debug console.
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Can you run IE natively on a Mac? I've never seen it done. If you're talking Parallels or Bootcamp, then I think the problem doesn't exist because it's technically running in Windows, but I may be wrong.
I have Flash for Mac and can chat for a bit later tonight if you want to give it a shot. I'm not familiar with the software so you may have to walk me through it.
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We finally have a solution to the Mac problem! We've got a corrected version of the swf that plays if you are a Mac. You miss an animation or two (the ones that were bugging it out), but at least it is functional for everyone!
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We finally have a solution to the Mac problem! We've got a corrected version of the swf that plays if you are a Mac. You miss an animation or two (the ones that were bugging it out), but at least it is functional for everyone!
Sweet! Is it up anywhere yet?
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http://www.thefuriousangels.com
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Nice! I was able to view everything on my Mac. Too bad about missing those animations, though...
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Looking good!
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Looks sweet guys. Awesome work. Glad the Mac problem was fixed.
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Yea, works great, sucks we don't get the animations, but great solve. One thing that happened for me that made no sense, and I can try it again, is if I click the Login button, it takes me to the login page, I type in my info and hit sign in or whatever and it took me back to the beginning of the flash where the angel appears from the clouds again... Not only that but the image is zoomed in on and thus distorted... will test again.
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Yup did it again.
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You'll have to talk to Lithium about that. The flash site only supplies the link to the login page.
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Taking a guess, postnuke must look at the page you came from and return you there after a successful login. I will try to disable that.