FA Discussion => Non-VR Games => Topic started by: Subb on January 21, 2010, 06:05:15 pm
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on January 21, 2010, 06:05:15 pm
So, I've been batting some ideas around in my head and decided to put pen to paper (well, y'know what I mean) and want to see what you guys think about FA in SW:TOR.
Your thoughts please!
Ideas for FA structure in SW:TOR[/u]
Hierarchy:
Tbone has changed the Sect's hierarchy as seen here (http://http://thefuriousangels.com/index.php?msg=96847)
Who are the Furious Angels?
Well, I think this is something we all need to chip in for. Are we vengeance incarnate? Are we protectors of peace? Are we those who are sent in when everyone else has failed? Or are we all of these? An idea of mine is that we’re like Dan Brown’s Priory of Sion; where prominent Jedi members are actually part of FA but keep it a secret? That way we can fully integrate ourselves into the SW Universe without technically breaking canon.
Where do the Furious Angels exist?
As soon as SW:TOR was announced, one planet is particular stood out in my mind. In Ep. I The Phantom Menace, Anakin asks Padme if she is an Angel and that the Angels live on one of the Moons of Iego (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Iego)
If not, maybe some remote world in the outer rim territories or in the unknown regions will suffice. Hell, we could even make a planet up. Due to our Order recruiting from all professions, FA’s resources can be limitless (or near to) making it possible for us to infiltrate any organisation, feed lies and deceit amongst our enemies – using their own tactics against them – and have safe houses on every planet.
Entrance into the Furious Angels & who can join?
To this point in time, we have agreed to side with the Republic (unless I am mistaken) so this must be one requirement. Any class can join, but they are ‘knighted’ into our Order, assuming the rank of ‘Brother/Sister’ or whatever we want to call them and then progress to the rank of Knight. Like I said, this is regardless of class – even a space pirate can become a ‘Knight’.
UPDATE: Follow the Signal is in place and launched.
Proposed history of the Furious Angels.
The Furious Angels were established during the First Great Schism (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Great_Schism) from which the Bogan (Dark side) was first discovered. This conflict began roughly 24,500 BBY and resulted in the Dark side users being cast out of the Jedi Order. The Furious Angels believed that to combat the growing tide of darkness, another approach was needed; so a group of Jedi consisting of the most powerful Guardians, Sentinels and Consulars decided to tread a thin line, skirting between the light and dark side but never fully falling. “To serve the light, we fight in the darkness”
After the great schism, the Angels are not heard from again until the Hundred Year Darkness. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hundred-Year_Darkness) It was during this time when the Sith Order was established. All through the war, the Furious Angels earned their reputation among the Council by taking on some of the most dangerous missions of the campaign and were, ultimately, one of the key contributing factors for the victory on Corbus, thus ending the war. As quickly as they came, the Angels left.
The next recorded sighting of the Furious Angels is during the Great Hyperspace War (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Hyperspace_War). They are the unsung heroes of the final battle on Corusant, leading ground forces on missions into the heart of the invading army before vanishing once again.
The Furious Angels played no major part in the Third Great Schism (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Third_Great_Schism) but did play a part in the capture of Ulic Qel-Droma (with rumours that Master Vodo-Siosk Baas was indeed the Knight Commander at the time) during the Great Sith War (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Sith_War) by deploying the Wall of Light – the greatest weapon in the Jedi arsenal.
Due to a subtle disturbance in the Force, the Angels decided not to participate in the Mandalorian Wars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian_War)but instead adopted a ‘wait and see’ approach on the situation, sensing a hidden threat. After the war, instead of facing Revan’s invasion/the Jedi Civil War (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Civil_War) head on, the Angels turned their gaze to the unknown regions in an attempt to draw out the darkness hiding amongst the shadows. This darkness, unbeknowest to them was the Sith Emperor.
On 3954 BBY the Furious Angels disappeared, after the First Jedi Purge (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Jedi_Purge) starting on Katarr, only to reappear at 3652 BBY – 1 year after the Treaty of Corusant - with a new leader and new order...
The Furious Angels and the rest of the Galaxy
Today, the question of how do the rest of the Galaxy view FA crept up on me. Are we totally hidden from the public eye or are we well known, striking fear into any wrong doer but our details are unknown and our existence is either denied or are we hunted by the Republic's law enforcement? I personally think that it'd be cool if the Republic's soldiers call us the White Knights of the Republic, cheered as we appear running to the front lines and then disappearing as quick as we appeared.
What say you?
The Furious Angels and non-Jedi
Whilst many of us will be running as Jedi, I believe that all members should be Force sensitive (since as per SW lore, the Force is present in everyone (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_force)) and with their extensive training, have become one of the best in their fields of choice. For example, being the top of their class in Havoc Squad training.
Specialities in the Furious Angels
As pioneers of the Force, combat, research etc. I believe that those of us who become leaders in our fields should teach our new recruits or anyone who wishes to expand on their own abilities. I propose that we should give titles out to those who have either a) demonstrated amazing abilities in their field b) done a unique task before anyone else in the Sect or c) it fits them either as a player or in a roleplaying sense (I've always imagined Broin as a Jedi Archaeologist who has delved deeper than most into the Force's secrets and as a result has become an uber Consular).
Examples: * Jedi Watchman - Do you feel an attachment to a planet and spend most of your time there? Maybe become a Watchman of that planet is possible; just like Kai Justiss, Watchman of Kashyyyk. *Jedi Weapon Master - Do you possess the ability to go toe to toe with the most powerful of foes? Do you strive to hone your Lightsaber technique? As you advance, maybe you'll wish to teach others and become a Battle Master? *Jedi Shadow - Do you actively search for the symptoms of the Dark Side restlessly? Do you strike first and ask questions later?
Just an idea...
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Tbone on January 21, 2010, 06:19:03 pm
I clicked on the Iego link. It fits perfectly with us. The mythology of it, the mystery, the rumors...very good stuff. Half of our backstory could be like the rumors of this planet and its moons - there's a sort of uncertainty as to how much of it is true and how much of it is tales past on from generation from generation.
Very good stuff, Subb!
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Broin on January 21, 2010, 06:40:47 pm
Maybe instead of decided not to particiapte something like... Were drawn away from the conflict... Lead elsewhere by the force. Something like we knew that the conflict would eventually end the way it did and that there would come a time when a stronger more dedicated group of jedi's in the force were needed which is why we went away to perfect our use of the force. Or some such.
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Adad on January 21, 2010, 07:25:18 pm
Quote from: "Tbone"
I clicked on the Iego link. It fits perfectly with us. The mythology of it, the mystery, the rumors...very good stuff. Half of our backstory could be like the rumors of this planet and its moons - there's a sort of uncertainty as to how much of it is true and how much of it is tales past on from generation from generation.
Very good stuff, Subb!
I particularly love this part as well. We would be like the Diathim from Iego, perfect! Nice call Subbeh!
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Strod on January 22, 2010, 02:31:17 am
A smile ran across my face after reading this, Subb. I think you have out done yourself, awesome job.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: NoCry on January 22, 2010, 03:36:32 am
I think you are a noob. Well done old chap. I agree with the broin on the way to present our non participation.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Fuse on January 22, 2010, 09:15:16 am
nice job...
I like the “To serve the light, we fight in the darkness” tag better than "Vengeance Incarnate"... Love the description of Iego - it's perfect for us. Only downside is that it may restrict us to using canon moreso than if we were just "out there" somewhere else we create. I also agree with Broin that we should not show a willing decision to avoid conflict, but instead give a reason (even if vauge) that we were needed elsewhere.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on January 22, 2010, 02:24:55 pm
Updated it slightly. Thanks for the input!
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Ragnarok on January 22, 2010, 03:39:50 pm
I know my opinion doesn't have as much weight as the rest of you since I am new, but in my opinion everything is great besides the Hierarchy. It just doesn't flow or fit, though the brother/sister thing does. Maybe use Grandmaster instead of knight commander or something like that. I would look to medieval orders for inspiration on it.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on January 22, 2010, 05:20:21 pm
Recruitment idea included.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Tbone on January 22, 2010, 06:05:25 pm
Act I
An idea I'm thinking of is that the potential is aboard a ship - most likely a crew member. It's a first person view of looking out of the ship into space. Suddenly alarms go off and perhaps on board meters go haywire. Think of a Bermuda Triangle effect.
Crew Member 1: "What's going on?? These meters aren't making any sense." Crew Member 2: "We've lost control of the ship!"
A fog or storm of some sort appears in space, temporarily blocking our view.
Crew Member 1: "Look out there! What is that?"
The fog clears and we see the planet Iego with several moons in view.
Crew Member 2: "Where did that come from?"
A loud ominous noise begins. The border of the screen begins to glow.
Crew Member 1: "What the... Hey! Watch out! You're...glowing..."
Two hands come up at the bottom - you're hands. They are glowing.
The glow gets brighter and begins to engulf the entire screen as we hear fading
Crew Member 2: "Quick, get the captain in here!"
Act II
This part I still need to flesh out. The potential may be blindfolded like in our Darkfall one or could be in some weird, glowing place.
What we discover is that you, the potential, is a lost decedent of the Angels (or whatever they are called). Dialogue would be something like "I'm sure your mother told you tales of Iego and its a thousand moons. Many have heard of this place, but very few know that it is REAL." Tbone has sought you out because it is believed that you are ready to embrace your destiny and become one of the Furious Angels. FA history is briefly explained here as well. You must pass the trials to earn a rank, however.
Trials will be based in knowledge, the force, and physical prowess. If the potential is blindfolded, I was thinking of a "sound effect" light saber fight, meaning the potential is fighting blindfolded. There can even be prompts like "dodge left, dodge right, strike left, strike right". No wrong answer, but makes the user feel like they are doing something.
If they pass the trials, they are then given the choice. Embrace your destiny and join the Angels or be sent back to your ship and face whatever that means.
Still fleshing it out, but something like that...
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Ragnarok on January 22, 2010, 06:41:06 pm
Quote from: "Tbone"
Act I
Trials will be based in knowledge, the force, and physical prowess. If the potential is blindfolded, I was thinking of a "sound effect" light saber fight, meaning the potential is fighting blindfolded. There can even be prompts like "dodge left, dodge right, strike left, strike right". No wrong answer, but makes the user feel like they are doing something.
If they pass the trials, they are then given the choice. Embrace your destiny and join the Angels or be sent back to your ship and face whatever that means.
Still fleshing it out, but something like that...
what if they cant use the force? example: trooper
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Tbone on January 22, 2010, 06:54:42 pm
Hmm, that's a good point. We could ask them which weapon they feel comfortable with (gun, lightsaber, or no weapon *power from within*). Based on that answer, the combat sequence would be a bit different (i.e. Shoot these three targets blindfolded).
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on January 23, 2010, 04:25:18 am
I like it. Maybe a few general knowledge questions based on Jedi/Sith lore? Ala KOTOR2's Sith Academy trials.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Reaper on January 23, 2010, 04:29:28 am
Good use of the Noggin :)
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Orphaeus on January 23, 2010, 03:58:10 pm
I'm loving everything Subb pitched, no arguments from me.
My one qualm is about Tone's recruitment thing. I liked the one we used for Darkfall specifically because of the riddles we threw in there. I'm not against the little minigame idea, just as long as it does not overpower or drown out the knowledge portion. I would insist that the riddles take as much time, if not more, to solve than the ones we used for Darkfall, and I'm only against the other stuff if it forces us to water down the quiz.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on January 23, 2010, 04:53:18 pm
I've been brainstorming ideas about the narrative for Tbone's recruitment idea. So, here we go:
ACT I: [When Iego is seen out of the windown]"I... Iego?" [This is the only thing to click on to continue the video. It gives the initiate the sense that they're part of the story.Then the player is engulfed by the 'glow']
ACT II: Tbone: "This planet chooses us, it's a beacon for all of those like us; descended from the Angels. You recognized it, didn't you not? You remember your Mother's tales of Iego and its thousand moons - many people know the legends, few know the truth." : "We are the Furious Angels, founded over twenty millennia ago during the first great schism." [Images of battles flash through the narrative] "Our identities are kept secret," [Maybe images of iconic Jedi and other Soldiers flash to show that those who are part of SW canon were secretly members of our order] "To serve the light, we fight in the darkness" [Flashes of dark side powers] "Remember that" *Foot steps and if the initiate is a Jedi a lightsaber is heard igniting* : "Show me" < If initiate is Jedi. : "I hear you're quite the marksman" [A 'clunk' is played as if Tbone thrusts a blaster into the initiate's hand] "Show me" <If initiate is a Smuggler or Trooper.
Just a thought :)
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Broin on January 23, 2010, 06:09:21 pm
I really like that Subb
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Heironymus on January 29, 2010, 01:07:34 am
Agreed.. All of the above
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Tbone on January 31, 2010, 03:01:54 pm
I think some of that should go in the final act, Subb, after the initiate has completed the tests. But maybe it is necessary to reveal all of that early on so that the person knows what the hell is going on...
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Ragnarok on January 31, 2010, 10:06:41 pm
Ok I did a lot of research on the star wars ranks and think that the a modified version of the jedi order's ranks would fit best.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on March 23, 2010, 12:14:33 pm
I've been doing some more research, will load it up around Easter time for you all to have a looksie.
Stay tuned, folks!
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Ragnarok on March 23, 2010, 10:37:07 pm
Sweet!! Cant wait!
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on July 13, 2010, 04:15:47 pm
UPDATED with ideas.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Ash on July 13, 2010, 09:13:09 pm
Subb, can you highlight the updates you added so we can tell your most recent ideas from those previous.
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on July 14, 2010, 03:42:10 am
Quote from: "Subb"
The Furious Angels and the rest of the Galaxy
Today, the question of how do the rest of the Galaxy view FA crept up on me. Are we totally hidden from the public eye or are we well known, striking fear into any wrong doer but our details are unknown and our existence is either denied or are we hunted by the Republic's law enforcement? I personally think that it'd be cool if the Republic's soldiers call us the White Knights of the Republic, cheered as we appear running to the front lines and then disappearing as quick as we appeared.
What say you?
The Furious Angels and non-Jedi
Whilst many of us will be running as Jedi, I believe that all members should be Force sensitive (since as per SW lore, the Force is present in everyone (http://http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_force)) and with their extensive training, have become one of the best in their fields of choice. For example, being the top of their class in Havoc Squad training.
Specialities in the Furious Angels
As pioneers of the Force, combat, research etc. I believe that those of us who become leaders in our fields should teach our new recruits or anyone who wishes to expand on their own abilities. I propose that we should give titles out to those who have either a) demonstrated amazing abilities in their field b) done a unique task before anyone else in the Sect or c) it fits them either as a player or in a roleplaying sense (I've always imagined Broin as a Jedi Archaeologist who has delved deeper than most into the Force's secrets and as a result has become an uber Consular).
Examples: * Jedi Watchman - Do you feel an attachment to a planet and spend most of your time there? Maybe become a Watchman of that planet is possible; just like Kai Justiss, Watchman of Kashyyyk. *Jedi Weapon Master - Do you possess the ability to go toe to toe with the most powerful of foes? Do you strive to hone your Lightsaber technique? As you advance, maybe you'll wish to teach others and become a Battle Master? *Jedi Shadow - Do you actively search for the symptoms of the Dark Side restlessly? Do you strike first and ask questions later?
Just an idea...
UPDATED (and quoted as per 'togi's request.)
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Enoch on August 28, 2010, 12:17:28 am
Hey guys, just wondering if you've seen this Featurette. It's from the creators of Clone Wars regarding the episode set on Iago, home of... well, us.
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Tbone on August 28, 2010, 02:08:50 am
Yeah, I've seen it. We're mostly ignoring it. Keeping it original. Plus there are thousands of years between the Iego in Clone Wars and our Iego.
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Ragnarok on August 28, 2010, 04:45:40 pm
Ok well last night I did some research on the inhabitants of Iego and it actually turns out that the Angels that Iego is famous for aren't originally from Iego. They are considered Immigrated species. There is also another native species from Iego that is extremely close in appearance and even considered more beautiful then the Angels. This species Is called Demons and they get the name from there feeding habits. They live below Iego's surface and at night come topside to prey on those beings who have become stranded on the planets surface.
Just thought I'd share this info.
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Aerosian on August 30, 2010, 10:20:08 pm
I do love the lore Subb. I'll see what I can do for blaster shots and lightsaber crackles Yotogi.
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Anathamas on September 02, 2010, 11:48:43 am
Fantastic stuff man. Let me know if you guys need any extra voice samples or whatnot.
Title: Re: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Subb on March 04, 2011, 07:32:12 am
Right. I aim to flesh this out during Easter time.
In the mean time I have a 20,000 word research proposal, 2,500 word quality paper and 2,000 word case report to do.
... and I'm currently procrastinating the shit out of Jesus.
Title: More Questions
Post by: Dration on March 26, 2011, 06:11:30 pm
So, I see this thread was used a lot for what eventually became the recruitment process, which is kinda cool to see the ideas flitting about as they took shape, but there were some other things that have been on my mind.
I'm big on writing, and building out depth for characters and ideas, so naturally I'm curious on how the rest of the galaxy views FA. I'm also really interested on the internal build of the organization, since it's very elite, and very small in number. Organization, rules, relationship with the dark-side, and how the group deals with it's flirtatious nature with the wicked side of the force... all are things that I'm interested in.
This particular Sith invasion seems to be particularly nasty, and perhaps the Angels are really taking a step up for this one, leading from the front as combat-generals and inspiring the troops onward. Or maybe it's even more reason to remain reclusive, striking suddenly and violently, to keep the enemy confused and off-kilter. Maybe all of the above, just the secret organization remains in the background the entire time. Sometimes my brain gets a real Secret Society sort of vibe going through it, which seems interesting, but I feel the connection with the Force, and the almost... not religious or spiritual but... righteous(?) sort of feel to the group really sets it firmly on a brighter path.
Besides... fate seems like a cooler reason than 'Illuminati with Lightsabers'.
Another big question is how the Jedi Council views the FA. Do they know about it? Surely there's a member or two close to the Council. Perhaps the Jedi fear a schism within their own ranks? Or there's a rumor of manipulation behind the scenes? Maybe the opposite, and the Council both knows about and applauds the machinations of FA.
Just some ideas. I didn't want to get elbow-deep in a story only for someone to thwap me and go, "Oi! That's all wrong!"
So it can't hurt to ask.
Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Winter on March 26, 2011, 08:08:59 pm
I really like the quesitons you pose. I've had some thougts on this one myself just been too wrapped up in school/work to really pen it down. I recall that in Jedi history there was a secret shadow organization known as the Jedi Covenant. I'm not sure if the timing syncs up, but I wondered if FA was somehow linked with them if timing does work. Regardless I've definately gotten the "feeling" that the Angels arise during periods of great asymmetry in the Force. The upcoming War being one of them.
I'm all for getting elbow deep in culture for no reason :)
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Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Keeloth on March 26, 2011, 08:39:19 pm
Well, I've actually been working on and off on a history of the Furious Angels, running it by Tbone periodically to make sure I'm not going completely off the rails. If it's ok to put up a (very) incomplete writing project up for all to see, I can start a new post in this section with the history written so far.
Title: FA in SW:TOR
Post by: Dration on March 26, 2011, 08:48:16 pm
That would be wicked. I'd love to have a place to toss out ideas to be kicked around and dissected by everyone else. It's the best way to really make progress to me. Hence why I figured this was a good place to start asking the questions!
Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Ash on March 26, 2011, 09:47:43 pm
Starts own faction and calls it "Illuminati with Lightsabers"
Oh and I just checked, the domain name IS available...sweet.
LOL
On a more serious note I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with.
Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Dration on March 27, 2011, 12:15:19 am
I think after tonight's conversation we have a TON of useful information to run with. So I'm looking forward to getting this up for everyone to see.
Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Tbone on March 27, 2011, 10:16:39 am
Quote from: "Keeloth"
Well, I've actually been working on and off on a history of the Furious Angels, running it by Tbone periodically to make sure I'm not going completely off the rails. If it's ok to put up a (very) incomplete writing project up for all to see, I can start a new post in this section with the history written so far.
Sure, I think we should start sharing this.
Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Subb on March 27, 2011, 12:18:08 pm
I'm free from the 8th of April, so Keeloth if you need a hand I'll be more than happy to help flesh out ideas.
Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Keeloth on March 27, 2011, 01:44:04 pm
Quote from: "Tbone"
Quote from: "Keeloth"
Well, I've actually been working on and off on a history of the Furious Angels, running it by Tbone periodically to make sure I'm not going completely off the rails. If it's ok to put up a (very) incomplete writing project up for all to see, I can start a new post in this section with the history written so far.
Sure, I think we should start sharing this.
Awesome! I'll post it up :)
Title: Re: More Questions
Post by: Mharz on March 30, 2011, 01:44:16 am
Some links I ran through which might provide some useful background story... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Iego http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Diathim
As a new recruit that just "Followed the signal" I can say the experience was super.