The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Off Topic => Topic started by: Lits on October 02, 2009, 02:19:57 am
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So with Columbus Day around the corner, I'd thought I'd open a thread, hoping to bring light to who Christopher Columbus actually was, and why I detest this holiday.
1. He collected slaves.
When Columbus first landed in the Bahamas he encountered what was most likely the Taino people, writing back to the sovreighnty that he noted their weapons were far less sophisticated than his own. He said he could "easily conquer and govern them as [he] pleased"
2. He was a child rapist.
He took the majority of the Taino people's young girls (average age 12) and sent them back as "gifts" for sex slavery to his family and friends, keeping some for himself.
3. He was a genocidist.
When he was done exhausting the Taino people (who, origionally were peaceful and amicable to him, even learning his language to better communicate for trade) of their goods, their people for slavery, and their knowledge of the surrounding land, he slaughtered them in various methods for reasons of just simply getting them out of the way. He intentionally used Small Pox as a means of destroying these people and their culture.
In short, Christopher Columbus STUMBLED upon South America by accident and then used and murdered whoever was in his way for personal financial gain and repor with the King and Queen.
Remind me again why we celebrate this holiday?
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Well... he discovered America!
...oh wait.
But... he proved that the Earth is round!
...oh wait.
Anyone remember the "Jaynestown" episode of Firefly? Mal's quote is one of my favorites:
"It's my estimation that any man who ever had a statue made of him, was one kind of son of a bitch or another."
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It's a Hallmark holiday as far as I'm concerned...
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I suspect that Lits wasn't exactly the most sober when she wrote this.
I could be wrong.
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Sobriety not necessary when discussing false holidays!
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Are you kidding me...?
Quick question.... are you still in school with those crazy whack jobs whose single purpose is to denegrate and destroy the founding ideals and principals that our whole civilization is based upon, because they simply don't like the concept of having a morale code? Or.... have you sucked up so much of it in your time in the land of limp wristed plasctic bannana good time rock and rolla weirdo's that it is ingrained in you.
I mean if you are so concerned about Columbus whose now dead and gone, then I'm sure you are super concerned about someone like Polanski... Or how about whole Olympic thing where Obama tried to help his slum lord friends unload those areas of the projects they own at new high end prices.
Seriously why look to the past when you have a bunch of thugs, rapist, and genocidist here in the present, several of which are best buds and installed in the white house.
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I think it's the California air.
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Are you kidding me...?
Quick question.... are you still in school with those crazy whack jobs whose single purpose is to denegrate and destroy the founding ideals and principals that our whole civilization is based upon, because they simply don't like the concept of having a morale code? Or.... have you sucked up so much of it in your time in the land of limp wristed plasctic bannana good time rock and rolla weirdo's that it is ingrained in you.
I mean if you are so concerned about Columbus whose now dead and gone, then I'm sure you are super concerned about someone like Polanski... Or how about whole Olympic thing where Obama tried to help his slum lord friends unload those areas of the projects they own at new high end prices.
Seriously why look to the past when you have a bunch of thugs, rapist, and genocidist here in the present, several of which are best buds and installed in the white house.
But none of the present thugs, rapists and genocidists have their own national holiday. It's only after a few centuries of ridicule that the assholes are glorified. Lincoln sure as hell wasn't considered a civil rights hero in his own time. Maybe in a hundred years or so we'll have Bush Day or Obama Day.
Honestly, I found this thread a bit of an eye-opener. I remember blindly accepting what I was taught in school; that Columbus set sail with three ships and single-handedly killed two birds with one stone and gave Spain the finger. Then a few years later, I learned that was all bullshit. But it never occured to me that he was a child rapist, of all things.
I've been helping the step-daughter with her schoolwork lately, and I'm really trying to encourage her to question the things she is taught. I know she just wants to get the work done so she can go hang out with her friends, but I keep pushing it little by little. Every now and then I see something stick with her and it makes it entirely worth it. If she knew these things about Columbus, I know full well that she would mirror Lits' sentiments.
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Are you kidding me...?
Quick question.... are you still in school with those crazy whack jobs whose single purpose is to denegrate and destroy the founding ideals and principals that our whole civilization is based upon, because they simply don't like the concept of having a morale code? Or.... have you sucked up so much of it in your time in the land of limp wristed plasctic bannana good time rock and rolla weirdo's that it is ingrained in you.
I mean if you are so concerned about Columbus whose now dead and gone, then I'm sure you are super concerned about someone like Polanski... Or how about whole Olympic thing where Obama tried to help his slum lord friends unload those areas of the projects they own at new high end prices.
Seriously why look to the past when you have a bunch of thugs, rapist, and genocidist here in the present, several of which are best buds and installed in the white house.
But none of the present thugs, rapists and genocidists have their own national holiday. It's only after a few centuries of ridicule that the assholes are glorified. Lincoln sure as hell wasn't considered a civil rights hero in his own time. Maybe in a hundred years or so we'll have Bush Day or Obama Day.
Honestly, I found this thread a bit of an eye-opener. I remember blindly accepting what I was taught in school; that Columbus set sail with three ships and single-handedly killed two birds with one stone and gave Spain the finger. Then a few years later, I learned that was all bullshit. But it never occured to me that he was a child rapist, of all things.
I've been helping the step-daughter with her schoolwork lately, and I'm really trying to encourage her to question the things she is taught. I know she just wants to get the work done so she can go hang out with her friends, but I keep pushing it little by little. Every now and then I see something stick with her and it makes it entirely worth it. If she knew these things about Columbus, I know full well that she would mirror Lits' sentiments.
You might want to skip the "child-rapist" bit though...just my 2 cents.
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Are you kidding me...?
Quick question.... are you still in school with those crazy whack jobs whose single purpose is to denegrate and destroy the founding ideals and principals that our whole civilization is based upon, because they simply don't like the concept of having a morale code? Or.... have you sucked up so much of it in your time in the land of limp wristed plasctic bannana good time rock and rolla weirdo's that it is ingrained in you.
I mean if you are so concerned about Columbus whose now dead and gone, then I'm sure you are super concerned about someone like Polanski... Or how about whole Olympic thing where Obama tried to help his slum lord friends unload those areas of the projects they own at new high end prices.
Seriously why look to the past when you have a bunch of thugs, rapist, and genocidist here in the present, several of which are best buds and installed in the white house.
But none of the present thugs, rapists and genocidists have their own national holiday. It's only after a few centuries of ridicule that the assholes are glorified. Lincoln sure as hell wasn't considered a civil rights hero in his own time. Maybe in a hundred years or so we'll have Bush Day or Obama Day.
Honestly, I found this thread a bit of an eye-opener. I remember blindly accepting what I was taught in school; that Columbus set sail with three ships and single-handedly killed two birds with one stone and gave Spain the finger. Then a few years later, I learned that was all bullshit. But it never occured to me that he was a child rapist, of all things.
I've been helping the step-daughter with her schoolwork lately, and I'm really trying to encourage her to question the things she is taught. I know she just wants to get the work done so she can go hang out with her friends, but I keep pushing it little by little. Every now and then I see something stick with her and it makes it entirely worth it. If she knew these things about Columbus, I know full well that she would mirror Lits' sentiments.
You might want to skip the "child-rapist" bit though...just my 2 cents.
Well I know that now. Where the hell were you yesterday?
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morale code?
I think the word you're looking for is "moral" code.
And I only bring it up, like Manic said, because it's been made a national holiday. And as far as questioning what you are told, it is the nature of progress and evolution. "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Much like your dissent of the Obama administration.
See everybody gets along because we all respect each others' right to an opinion :)
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Speaking of dissent...
[Columbus] intentionally used Small Pox as a means of destroying these people and their culture.
Do a quick google search for "columbus intentionally using small pox" and you'll come across many ranting blogs/opinions but no actual evidence.
The closest thing you'll find to this folklore is that Peter d'Errico's research on Lord Jeffrey Amherst, commander of British forces in North America during the French and Indian War (1756-'63). link (http://www.umass.edu/legal/derrico/amherst/lord_jeff.html)
Now it doesn't make Columbus a nicer guy, but lets at least blame the small pox on the ignorance of medical knowledge in late 15th century and these little shits
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You're right, the holiday should be changed to George S. Patton day. But alas he is a terrible man too. His only good deed was saving THE WORLD from Hitler.
So, instead we will just make it Santa Clause day, because Santa Clause only brings joy and cheer and does no evil.
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morale code?
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Much like your dissent of the Obama administration.
That thee is just funny... Just like ole Hillary said everyone has a right to dissent and disagree. Well unless you disagree with Obama and the Dems because then they call you things like
Racist
Bigots
Homophob
Nazi
Skin Head
Turn Coat
Uncle Tom
Inciting Violence
LOL I could go on and on but you get the idea... And before I hear this crap about they all do it... This is coming from the Dem leadership not some rank and file member at a protest rally. These things come from the top when they address US citizens through the medis or during house and senate sessions.
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Considering most famous people in history have had their share of fuckedupness, I'm not surprised Columbus did this...if you look up any big name in history, you'll find some really shitty stuff about them. I'm pretty damn sure Columbus did what he did because that's most likely how they handled "savages" in his time. He prob did it without even thinking he was doing anything wrong.
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Shit's way too serious in here.
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Well unless you disagree with Obama and the Dems because then they call you things like
Racist
Bigots
Homophob
Nazi
Skin Head
Turn Coat
Uncle Tom
Inciting Violence
LOL I could go on and on but you get the idea... And before I hear this crap about they all do it... This is coming from the Dem leadership not some rank and file member at a protest rally.
"[Obama] is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country”
-Sarah Palin
"[Obama] has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist."
-Glenn Beck
"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force. I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may—may not, I hope not—but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism. That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did. When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist
-Rep. Paul Brown
...I can do this all day long. I didn't even delve into Obama being an Antichrist, not being born in the US, etc. etc. All extreme rumors and names that were started by and fueled by the Rep leadership.
My point is, yeah, they all do it. And your guys are damn good at it ;)
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Ahhhh... Difference is what they are stating are truths. Obama has been palling around with terrorists. From before he started out his race for the white house... He started his political career with an unrepentant terrorist, and founding member of a terrorist group. Bill Ayers and his Weathermen group.
Obama isn't a really a Marxist he's a fascist... Though I'd say Paul Brown was pretty close in the way Obama wants things to be. Think about it, the goverment has taken over large segments of the auto industry, the banking and finance industry, and want to be the sole provider of healthcare. What the hell is that if not Socialist and Marxist?
Oh, and Glenn Beck isn't in an elected office. But feel free to google some more stuff for me, and I'll just rattle off the top of my head the facts of the situation.
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Ahhhh... Difference is what they are stating are truths.
Your logic is flawed, sir. You fail to see that both sides of the argument perceive what they say as "the truth". I could easily argue that there are plenty of people who disagree with Obama who are, in actuality, racists, bigots, homophobes, skin heads, etc, and I'd be correct.
The argument is not, actually, who is right and who is wrong, or what is truth and what is not (we'd be here a long time arguing those points). The argument I brought up, anyway, is that the use of name-calling to incite negative connotations against your opposition is used commonly on both sides of the fence, so it makes you pointing that out rather moot.
In other news, I wish your racist bigots would stop inciting violence already! :-P
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I don't follow what your saying....
Truth is based off of facts. Individuals who argue that there is no truth because both sides lie and distort it are in themselves failing to see the finality of things. The facts of what is and what is not is where in the truth lies. That's why liberals focus more on feeling and emotions than the factuality of situations.
I defy you to show me how the President is not cozy with known terrorist from the past who are unrepentant, who had their hands in the bombings of the capital buildings and the deaths of several law enforcement officers; or show me how I am wrong in saying that he has met with the leaders of current regiems in ways that we have never done before, giving legitamcy to those regiems in ways that every president before him said would be the wrong thing to do.
Or show me how I am wrong in saying that he is a Social Marxist.
I mean let's all be serious here... The president is a Socialist
Really I'd call him fascist as that is a better descriptor of his philosophy
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There is an easy way to determine how worthless a president is.
When you're watching TV and a short infomercial comes on for a debt consolidation or a mortgage loan shark company and they are playing clips of a speech that Obama gave about 'helping those in debt by providing rebates' and promises of 'free money for your debt' lights and buzzers should ring in your head that something is fucked up here.
And just to throw in a story about an unfortunate run we had with a self proclaimed socialist democrat while camping a few weekends ago... well he thought that, "we should all be payed $30K a year and if you don't do work they kill you. And you can't leave the country because the socialist dictator would control the entire world." and "nobody deserves more money than that." The scary thing is there was not a bit of sarcasm in any of it.
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Have you all learned nothing from The Matrix? Recall the teachings of Neo and Smith.
Nobody is going to win if we keep fighting eachother. We've been doing it for centuries and it only reinforces the cycle. Each side has its strengths and weaknesses. It is only when the two come together that they are extinguished as separates, and reborn as singular light. We must stop resisting eachother and acknowledge that we are all in this together.
And you're all a bunch of racist faggots, anyway.
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Have you all learned nothing from The Matrix? Recall the teachings of Neo and Smith.
Nobody is going to win if we keep fighting eachother. We've been doing it for centuries and it only reinforces the cycle. Each side has its strengths and weaknesses. It is only when the two come together that they are extinguished as separates, and reborn as singular light. We must stop resisting eachother and acknowledge that we are all in this together.
And you're all a bunch of racist faggots, anyway.
Somebody misses MxO.
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Well if it weren't for the conservatives throwing the facts around, shutting down Obama's socialism bills, and pointing out the communists appointed to the white house staff I could only imagine how far along we would be right now in the socialization of America. As long as there is fighting, opinions, and bickering there will be freedom.
And another point I want to make is this: If evil dictators do not hate America, then we are not doing our job!
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Continuing the name-calling of people you disagree with only further proves my point. Don't argue that "the other side is calling us names" when you do the exact same thing and claim it's legitimate because your point of view is "right" while the other half (other half being a MAJORITY of the voting population) disagrees with you.
And I know that Glenn Beck isn't an elected official. I pointed him out because he is a conservative leader. Much like you like to blame the "liberal media", conservatives have their own media powerhouses that have more influence over the ignorantly susceptible than they ever should.
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My favorite points of the day on Obama...
He wants to
Hurry up with the stimulus
Hurry up with the goverment run healthcare
They've both got to be done in weeks or days when first announced...
But...
When the general in charge of the Afghan theatre calls for more troops...
We've got to take our time...
I'm in no hurry...
Heck he hadn't even me with McChrystal except for a 45 min teleconfrence that they condcuted once over a 71 day time period...
I mean I understand the guy had some bigger issues to mull over at the time... You know like bringing the Olympics to Chicago.
Come on Mr. and Mrs. Soldier suck it up, and I'll get back to you when I get around to it. In the mean time Hurry up with all the other stuff I deem important...
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^^^^
All of that stuff also pissed me off. His priorities are completely jacked up. He "wasn't aware" of the crap happening with ACORN despite being tied to them. He said that isn't a priority for him, despite our money going to a corrupt group. He speaks on Michael Jacksons death quicker than he speaks about Iran.
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Man... Columbus was a jerk.
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lol
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Nothing personal T, but... ACTORS TO THE RESCUE!!!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa
And of course the truth of the matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ9Te1XP8RM
I really like how this guy breaks it down...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNl3KcFN2ZM
LOL... dumbasses
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What happens when you say,
"Obama Nation"
5 times fast!
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Nothing personal T, but... ACTORS TO THE RESCUE!!!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa
And of course the truth of the matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ9Te1XP8RM
I really like how this guy breaks it down...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNl3KcFN2ZM
LOL... dumbasses
Those are great...
"How else will our children learn that they're entitled to other people's money"
"Joe Biden who's actually a Unicorn!"
nice lol
Last one is worth the 10minutes to watch...
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6866894.ece
Barack Obama: Taleban can be involved in Afghanistan future
Mr Obama appears to have been swayed in recent days by arguments from some advisers, led by Vice-President Joe Biden, that the Taleban do not pose a direct threat to the US and that there should be greater focus on tackling al-Qaeda inside Pakistan.
The official, speaking anonymously to the press about Mr Obama’s internal discussions – a tactic that is causing dismay among some senior military officials – said the president’s final decision on his war strategy and troop levels is still at least two weeks away.
No threat to America? Didn't we just arrest a handful of terrorists last week? I'm confused.
The Taleban realize how naive and ignorant this administration is. If something as simple as a posting to a Taleban website saying we don't support attacking countries is enough to sway this country--then we are in for a rude awakening.
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Barack Obama: Taleban can be involved in Afghanistan future
Mr Obama appears to have been swayed in recent days by arguments from some advisers, led by Vice-President Joe Biden, that the Taleban do not pose a direct threat to the US and that there should be greater focus on tackling al-Qaeda inside Pakistan.
The official, speaking anonymously to the press about Mr Obama’s internal discussions – a tactic that is causing dismay among some senior military officials – said the president’s final decision on his war strategy and troop levels is still at least two weeks away.
Can I just stay I hate how the media doesn't refer to him as President Obama/President Barak? It's stupid and petty, you may not like the guy but he is still your President and should treat him with that respect, especially when you turn around and say Vice-President Biden.
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Well you can't even spell his first name correctly. (Barack not Barak)
And secondly, it's our freedom of speech to address him however we choose. We are not at the hands of a Führer und Reichskanzler here.
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Check it out, guys. It's House!
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Check it out, guys. It's House!
Well, it's not Lupis.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6866894.ece
Barack Obama: Taleban can be involved in Afghanistan future
Mr Obama appears to have been swayed in recent days by arguments from some advisers, led by Vice-President Joe Biden, that the Taleban do not pose a direct threat to the US and that there should be greater focus on tackling al-Qaeda inside Pakistan.
The official, speaking anonymously to the press about Mr Obama’s internal discussions – a tactic that is causing dismay among some senior military officials – said the president’s final decision on his war strategy and troop levels is still at least two weeks away.
No threat to America? Didn't we just arrest a handful of terrorists last week? I'm confused.
The Taleban realize how naive and ignorant this administration is. If something as simple as a posting to a Taleban website saying we don't support attacking countries is enough to sway this country--then we are in for a rude awakening.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/10/opinion/the-declining-terrorist-threat.html?scp=1&sq=The%20Declining%20Terrorist%20Threat&st=cse
"The Declining Terrorist Threat" - July 10th, 2001
This was written 2 months before 9/11.
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Alright I stayed out of this as long as I could, considering I started this thread about Columbus Day, lol. Broin will probably try to have me washed out of FA for these, but here we go. (PS I still love you Broin!!!!)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&ei=xZnPSu37GM3glQeuhsHWBg&q=loose+change#docid=-1419223076105354911
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&hl=en#
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Yeah, I'm not going to even watch those insulting videos of ignorance that try to say 9/11 was a setup. It is comparable to saying the holocaust never happened.
The irony is liberals claim conservatives and republican are spreading 'lies' about healthcare, about the president's czars, and the president's background. Yet the biggest, and the only lies, are being spread based on incorrect facts (or none at all) by those very same liberals.
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it's our freedom of speech to address him however we choose. We are not at the hands of a Führer und Reichskanzler here.
It's stupid and petty
You can do what you want, but the point is it is stupid and petty to do so. After you get comfy for 8 years, it's pretty easy to become a big sore loser when things suddenly don't go your way.
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Things haven't been right for a looooong time. Bush sure as hell didn't have it right either.
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it's our freedom of speech to address him however we choose. We are not at the hands of a Führer und Reichskanzler here.
It's stupid and petty
You can do what you want, but the point is it is stupid and petty to do so. After you get comfy for 8 years, it's pretty easy to become a big sore loser when things suddenly don't go your way.
So, it's stupid and petty to not let the government run my life?
The government should tell me how much I make.
The government should tell me how much I work.
The government should tell me where I work.
The government should tell me where I live.
The government should tell me what to spend money on.
The government should tell me what life insurance I get.
The government should tell me what health insurance I get.
The government should tell me what the value of my life is.
The government should tell me how much I can drink.
The government should tell me who to marry.
The government should tell me how many children to produce.
The government should tell me when I can go outside.
The government should tell me when bedtime is.
And on and on and on.
Otherwise if I don't conform, I'm just petty and stupid.
The only petty and stupid are those who believe dependence on the government is the answer. Those who are too weak to make their own financial and life decisions.
The government should be a framework and not a complete guide on how to live your life.
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it's our freedom of speech to address him however we choose. We are not at the hands of a Führer und Reichskanzler here.
It's stupid and petty
You can do what you want, but the point is it is stupid and petty to do so. After you get comfy for 8 years, it's pretty easy to become a big sore loser when things suddenly don't go your way.
So, it's stupid and petty to not let the government run my life?
The government should tell me how much I make.
The government should tell me how much I work.
The government should tell me where I work.
The government should tell me where I live.
The government should tell me what to spend money on.
The government should tell me what life insurance I get.
The government should tell me what health insurance I get.
The government should tell me what the value of my life is.
The government should tell me how much I can drink.
The government should tell me who to marry.
The government should tell me how many children to produce.
The government should tell me when I can go outside.
The government should tell me when bedtime is.
Don't you live in the U.S.? We have freedoms with all of these things. Hell, even your shots at insurance don't hold up. The government is trying to provide you with more options.
If anything, I'd say your post sounds like a liberal rant. Sounds like you're saying you should be allowed to marry who you choose (so pro gay marriage?) and how many children you should have (so pro choice?). Interesting...
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Don't you live in the U.S.? We have freedoms with all of these things. Hell, even your shots at insurance don't hold up. The government is trying to provide you with more options.
If anything, I'd say your post sounds like a liberal rant. Sounds like you're saying you should be allowed to marry who you choose (so pro gay marriage?) and how many children you should have (so pro choice?). Interesting...
I think you missed the tone of his rant. Put question marks on the end of all of those.
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The government is trying to provide you with more options.
I think this is just one of the main reasons liberals and conservatives won't have much basis for agreement - Concervatives don't think it's the governments job to provide options because that costs everyone money and they've never once done a good job at it.
Name one government program that didn't go over budget and/or become a complete clusterfuck?
We have differing opinions on what the governments job should be. Liberals want them to have more control and say in everyday life, conservatives want a true free market owned by the people. Liberals seem to think we work for the government, conservatives seem to think the government should work for us. *shrug*
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Don't you live in the U.S.? We have freedoms with all of these things. Hell, even your shots at insurance don't hold up. The government is trying to provide you with more options.
If anything, I'd say your post sounds like a liberal rant. Sounds like you're saying you should be allowed to marry who you choose (so pro gay marriage?) and how many children you should have (so pro choice?). Interesting...
Yup, we do have those freedoms. And it isn't because of the liberals. That list is what the liberals are trying to make the government do.
I don't want a choice from the government! Because regardless if I take that choice or not I am paying for it!
Honestly, you only bring up only the religious topics. But here is my take.
The gays want to marry for the tax breaks and the children. I don't think gays have a right to a child of their own. Much in the same way drug dealers, sex predators, and child abusers don't have the right to children. You can only imagine how fucked up the child will be when he enters school and tells his friends he has two dads. No child should have to grow up with that. We have enough children who grow up in a terrible situations, we don't need more. And if they want to marry, fine get hitched, but there is nothing to gain from it except court fees and half your income when you split.
I'm mixed when it comes to abortion. I think it's selfish to abort a child. I also think it's selfish to end up in a situation where you need an abortion because of your own stupidity (minus a sex crime, obviously). You made poor choices and now society will have to take on the burden of raising YOUR child. It is unfair to those who have a child in good faith and had the financial insight to support the child.
None of my opinions are based on religion, because I don't particularly agree with the Christian 'values push' of the Republicans. But hey, thanks for trying to start a debate on the 'religious hot topics.'
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Homosexuals have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us married folks. They also have the right to be arrested when they streak down the streets of Chicago for the Pride Parade like I would durring the St.Patricks parade. Like most minorities, they want better/different/more rights instead of equal rights.
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The gays want to marry for the tax breaks and the children. I don't think gays have a right to a child of their own. Much in the same way drug dealers, sex predators, and child abusers don't have the right to children. You can only imagine how fucked up the child will be when he enters school and tells his friends he has two dads. No child should have to grow up with that. We have enough children who grow up in a terrible situations, we don't need more. And if they want to marry, fine get hitched, but there is nothing to gain from it except court fees and half your income when you split.
How narrow minded on you? Gay people can raise children as good as any straight couple/single parent - I know a gay couple who have fostered a friend of mine for several years and he now thinks they're basicly his parents. Sure, they'll get bullied for having two dads/moms - but most children won't understand it and those who bully are absolute cunts. You're putting gays in the same class as sexual predators, drug dealers and child abusers? Heh - that's sick. And marriage? Ever heard of a thing called Love? Maybe they want to show each other that; not all marriages end in divorce. *end rant*
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Can a gay couple produce a child without adopting? In case they don't teach the birds and the bees anymore, the answer is no. They choose to live that lifestyle, and when you live that lifestyle you can't make a child so why should you get a child?
Let's use an analogy. You're a dumbass skateboarder who thinks you can ride the rail but instead you slide off the board and break you're balls on the rail and lose the ability to make a child. Because you were a dumbass you lose the ability to ever make a child, so why should you get a child?
Adoption should be reserved for parents who are capable of producing children and/or would be capable of producing children if not for some sort of natural reproduction problem. And don't get me started about people who adopt solely for the money... it's disgusting.
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I do have some issues with gay parents, but not to the point or keeping them from adopting. Your opinion is that if you physically can not have children, you don't deserve them? It hought you were against outside control of of your life? Let them do as they please unless it hurts the kid.
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I'm a strong proponent of natural selection.... Was at a tournament some years ago and noticed some delinquent child walking across this cement halfwall. One side had a huge drop off down some stair, about 20 feet or so.... Could just tell by the looks of him that the kid never had a chance in life. Then I saw his parents standing across the way watching him and then I knew it would've been better for him if he fell.
Never did though... Pitty.
All in jest of course... Well maybe most of it :p
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It hought you were against outside control of of your life?
I never said all outside control of life.
If that were the case you could rape, steal, murder, and pillage. I don't think that would work out.
I said, the government should be a framework. And that framework should include the basic laws to protect life and the safety of law abiding citizens. This includes protecting children from delinquent parents.
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Raping, stealing, murder, and pillaging affects other people negatively all the time though - I fail to see how a same sex couple affects anyone other than their family, and it's not always in a negative way.
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Someone once put it to me as this: "with all the hate and violence in the world, what's wrong with two people loving each other?"
And as far as 'not being capable of reproducing deems you unfit to have a child'... if that were so nearly ALL adoptions would never happen, as even straight couples sometimes can't have a child. So there would be that many more children in foster care and wards of the state (aka YOU paying for them, to use your own motives).
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Adoption should be reserved for parents who are capable of producing children and/or would be capable of producing children if not for some sort of natural reproduction problem.
Yeah, I addressed that issue in my earlier post.
But hey, maybe someday evolution will decide if gays should have children!
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The gays want to marry for the tax breaks and the children. I don't think gays have a right to a child of their own. Much in the same way drug dealers, sex predators, and child abusers don't have the right to children. You can only imagine how fucked up the child will be when he enters school and tells his friends he has two dads. No child should have to grow up with that. We have enough children who grow up in a terrible situations, we don't need more.
I know what you mean. I feel sorry for the kids who have to grow up with the shame of having one black parent and one white parent. How fucking humiliating. No child should have to grow up with that.
Seriously, did I miss something or aren't we living in the 21st century? The only reason a kid would be ashamed to say they have gay parents is because of this very mindset that perpetuates the notion that it's something to be ashamed of in the first place. What if the kid's friend doesn't give a shit if his parents are gay or straight? What if the whole school doesn't give a shit? Who does it hurt?
And I don't know what legal text you've been reading, but drug dealers, sexual predators and child abusers all have the right to have kids. Unfortunately, many of them often do. I guess we should just start testing children for certain criminalized neurological patterns at birth, and castrating them right then and there. Who knows what kind of monsters they might grow up to be?
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Happy Columbus Day everyone!
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I had to work yesterday and don't get today off. I'm also very busy with a crapload of broken stuff here.
Screw you Columbus.