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Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2007, 07:54:23 pm
For those who may not be familiar with some of these candidates here is their websites along with their party affiliation.*
Mitt Romney(R) http://www.mittromney.com/HomePage Rudolf Guliani(R) http://www.joinrudy2008.com/ Barack Obama(D) http://www.barackobama.com/ Hillary Clinton(D) http://www.hillaryclinton.com/ John McCain(R) http://www.johnmccain.com/ John Edwards(D) http://johnedwards.com/
*I tried to fit in all the candidates but the poll wouldn't allow that many options. So I'm only including the top 3 candidates for each party as well as an other option. If you choose other please elaborate.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Da6onet on April 29, 2007, 08:26:23 pm
Honestly anybody but Romney, Edwards, and Clinton I think would do a fine job as president.
Other people I'd like to see running for the Republicans are Fred Thompson and Newt Gingrich.
Barack is the only Dem I would support though, because he's the only one that actually takes a position on any issue, even though I disagree with many of his viewpoints, at least he stands for something and isn't a moron, which is much more than I can say about the majority of Democrats in office currently.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2007, 09:04:30 pm
Quote from: "Da6onet"
Honestly anybody but Romney, Edwards, and Clinton I think would do a fine job as president.
Other people I'd like to see running for the Republicans are Fred Thompson and Newt Gingrich.
Barack is the only Dem I would support though, because he's the only one that actually takes a position on any issue, even though I disagree with many of his viewpoints, at least he stands for something and isn't a moron, which is much more than I can say about the majority of Democrats in office currently.
I have to agree with you there Dag. I know first hand that Romney was a horrible Governor so there's no way I want him as president. Edwards pisses me off... he goes off on unimportant rants about how he grew up in a small town and poor. It's irrelevant and a desperate attempt to appeal to the average american. Clinton is extremely two faced. She says one thing and does another. She panders to crowds on a constant basis and contradicts previous statements.
I have to say I've always considered myself a moderate. I have always leaned to the right though. However, it seems the republic canidates thus far are just completely goes far right on all the issues. That just doesn't sit right with me. I was favoring John McCain until I found out he's commited to overturning Roe vs. Wade. I'm by no means for abortion. I actually am quite disgusted by it. However making it illegal after it's been legal for so long is not the way to eliminate it. We must work towards making abortion unnessicary through reform and technological research.
Barack Obama has so far been the only canidate that's impressed me. Not only does he have a tendancy to cross party lines and work with both parties on issues but he gets things done. His record is impressive for a junior senator. He's strong on defense, homeland security and military... which I like. Even though it's still early I'm gonna have to throw my hat in with Obama.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Broin on April 30, 2007, 07:21:28 am
The answer to your question is.... Newt who'll be entering the race in late Sept. or Oct.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anamodiel on April 30, 2007, 08:58:15 am
Quote from: "Broin"
The answer to your question is.... Newt who'll be entering the race in late Sept. or Oct.
Newt will be entering the race? Seriously?
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Pirus on April 30, 2007, 11:49:09 am
obama ftw although most people are a little weary about his religion... he was atleast once muslim from what I hear he is now a christian. But, a lot of peole have trouble letting go of his past.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Fuse on April 30, 2007, 12:06:24 pm
Obama...Go Illinois.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Da6onet on April 30, 2007, 12:14:07 pm
Quote from: "Pirus"
obama ftw although most people are a little weary about his religion... he was atleast once muslim from what I hear he is now a christian. But, a lot of peole have trouble letting go of his past.
I'm well aware he doesn't have a chance in hell, but that's precisely why I like him.
By the way, who the hell voted for Hillary. Fess up now or forever be shunned!!!
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2007, 01:34:03 pm
Ugh... if Hillary made it to office I'm leaving... I've always wanted to visit the UK... I guess I could live there if it came down to it lol.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Pirus on April 30, 2007, 02:10:38 pm
hmm would this count as hillary's 3rd term? hehe :) and yes the uk is nice... terrible weather though
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2007, 03:10:20 pm
You think Tony Blair is a better option than Hillary? Keep walking son... ;)
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Avzeke (Khr0n1k) on April 30, 2007, 04:08:12 pm
okay 2 people voted Hilary Clinton....that kinda surprises me because from what I have read she is pretty anti-video games and gamers voted for her...
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Tbone on April 30, 2007, 06:05:08 pm
No shunning allowed on a political topic.
Hmm, I'd say Obama because David Palmer made a kick ass prez.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anamodiel on April 30, 2007, 06:46:17 pm
Quote from: "Tbone"
Hmm, I'd say Obama because David Palmer made a kick ass prez.
hahahahah. I didn't realize how close those two looked alike!
I think the Republican candidates are weak. Going off of political trends within the last 140 or so years (and not on how the politicians stand on their issues), Romney would be the best candidate. Every candidate who has won the elections in the past 140 years (save Kennedy, who was almost royalty) has been a Governor of a state, a Cabinet member, or a military officer. Not a single person, again, save Kennedy, has gone straight from a position as Congressman to the Presidency since Abraham Lincoln (although you could argue President Harding, but he had Lt. Governorship experience... and his Presidency was terrible anyway, so he doesn't really count).
Hilary Clinton has the most name recognition, though, because she is connected to her husband. However, I doubt she'll win the nomination (and if she does, I have a feeling a Republican will win the election). Look at Bobby Kennedy. He was not able to win the '68 election based off of his name alone, even though the American people loved the Kennedy's.
However, I see a Democrat winning by a slim margin, I don't know who, but I'd rather have it be Obama then Ms. Hilary. If the 2006 elections are any indication of how the country is feeling, then I foresee a Democrat winning the election unless a new Republican can hit the scene or something a la the Swift Boat Veterans comes out against Obama/Hilary.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2007, 09:59:01 pm
Quote from: "Anamodiel"
Look at Bobby Kennedy. He was not able to win the '68 election based off of his name alone, even though the American people loved the Kennedy's.
Huh... Wasn't he assassinated right after he had won the California primary?
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Da6onet on May 01, 2007, 12:52:48 am
Quote from: "Venlar"
Quote from: "Anamodiel"
Look at Bobby Kennedy. He was not able to win the '68 election based off of his name alone, even though the American people loved the Kennedy's.
Huh... Wasn't he assassinated right after he had won the California primary?
Yes at the Ambassador hotel. The 2006 film "Bobby" is a pretty good flick if you're interested. Had he not been assassinated, there is a very good chance he'd have become president and Vietnam would have been a vastly different war.
That said, if you're well versed in the 1860 election, you know that there was a chance that the US civil might never have happened, at least not the way it did, if Lincoln hadn't won PA, Buchanan's home state.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Sared on May 01, 2007, 03:09:52 am
I would like to get close to Hillary Clinton, and sleep with her. Only because it would give me the opprotunity to bite her dick off.
Also, John McCain is one smart cookie.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anamodiel on May 01, 2007, 05:26:46 am
Quote from: "Da6onet"
That said, if you're well versed in the 1860 election, you know that there was a chance that the US civil might never have happened, at least not the way it did, if Lincoln hadn't won PA, Buchanan's home state.
Sources? I'll need this for my essay that I'll probably have to write for my AP US History exam. I need to know all about the Civil War.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Ash on May 01, 2007, 08:17:16 am
Quote from: "Anamodiel"
... I need to know all about the Civil War.
You mean the war of Northern aggression. ha.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anamodiel on May 01, 2007, 03:02:37 pm
Quote from: "Yotogi"
Quote from: "Anamodiel"
... I need to know all about the Civil War.
You mean the war of Northern aggression. ha.
There was no more Northern aggression than Southern aggression. The main cause of the Civil War comes from the Founding Fathers. Albeit to ratify the Constitution, they had to leave out federal powers, such as those governing slavery, because there was too much controversy among the states regarding the issue (remember, the States were still under the Articles of Confederation at the time, and they needed all of the states to pass a single piece of legislation). They did not give the country the required powers to govern a system that Jefferson himself detested.
Both sides, North and South, used the Constitution as grounds for their principles. The North believed that slavery was wrong because "all men are created equal;" thus, all people should be free, black or white. Southerners, on the other hand, used the implied power clause to establish that slavery was, in fact, legal. They also believed that it was a moral obligation on their part. They believed that the Bible could be interpreted in such a way that slavery was good and they were providing for an inferior species and helping them out. They helped and provided for the slaves in exchange for the work that they did on the plantations.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Lits on May 01, 2007, 08:12:03 pm
Let's not forget that slavery was no more the point of the civil war than fighting Ossama Bin Laden is the point of this war. Slavery was used as a misdirection of the more political agriculture and shipping inequities between the Northern states and the Southern states.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Tecknik on May 01, 2007, 08:35:35 pm
Obama '08. :)
I also would like to know who voted for the violent video game banning, and internet censoring Hilary Clinton?
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Fuse on May 01, 2007, 10:57:15 pm
Quote from: "Lits"
Let's not forget that slavery was no more the point of the civil war than fighting Ossama Bin Laden is the point of this war. Slavery was used as a misdirection of the more political agriculture and shipping inequities between the Northern states and the Southern states.
Pfffft! Spoken like a true southerner!
(I'd still let you whip me)
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Lits on May 02, 2007, 02:21:11 am
Fuse: *;P*
Thanks for those links, Ven. They're really helpful. Issues Lits cares about:
Ending the Iraq war Abortion rights Homosexual marriage Affordable healthcare Concentration on education Keeping up with Asia *EDUCATION*
(Jeeze that makes me sound like a hippie, doesn't it?) I have traditionally been a Republican when it comes to financial endeavors and a Democrat on social issues. I guess I could be called a very liberal Republican.
1. I want a woman president. Just not the backbiting censoring blame-everyone-but-the-parents Hillary Clinton. Besides, we've already had the Bush monarchy, I don't want a Clinton one. 2. I'm very pro-gay marriage (not in the church, but certainly in the state's eyes as a legal marriage) and so far only Guilliani has even mentioned it. He seemed to have a nice approach to it, but doesn't want to pull out of Iraq soon. 3. Mitt Romney seems to have a level head, but everyone tells me that he's an idiot. 4. John McCain is a radicalist redneck who seems to think God is on his side and he's right and you can't tell him wrong. These are the VERY people I HATE most!! I just want to put on all black, pierce every piece of my skin I can, proffess my faith in Satanism, and make out with a girl of another race in front of him, all the while having a charming conversation about Greek Literature and Botticelli's works with him. Damned tunnel visioned zealots..... 5. John Edwards: he had the better website... that's all I remember about him. Kinda doesn't stick out.
You know, I hate to say it, especially because of his extremely liberal image, but I'm going to have to go with Obama. Assuming he doesn't screw up, that is. He'll never be elected, it'll probably be Guilliani with the sympathy vote or Hilary with the novelty vote.
Besides... I live in the South... we all know why the youth group isn't voting for him. Sceneario played out as such: "*Gasp!* Choose between a Christian, wholesome, Bible beating man who's trying to rid us of evil abortion and a black man?! What choice?"
I feel like putting on my goth gear and scaring some of the Baptist congregation down the street.
SOOOOOO ATM I am voting for Obama. I would like to learn more about his platform, and Newt's platform if indeed he is going to run before I OFFICIALLY do it.
P.S.... one of those websites (I think it's Hillary's) has a link to online voter registration. Because of this thread, I am now a registered voter :)
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Da6onet on May 02, 2007, 05:46:42 am
Quote from: "Lits"
I have traditionally been a Republican when it comes to financial endeavors and a Democrat on social issues. I guess I could be called a very liberal Republican.
That's generally called a Libertarian.
My one line summaries of the candidates
Clinton: Fake (politics I know), doesn't truly believe/stand for anything and most importantly opportunistic to a fault.
Giuliani: When things are fine, he's kinda nuts, when things are bad, he's an American (in a good way).
McCain: Vietnam POW, old and out of touch, stubborn to a fault (a man after my own heart), a "liberal Republican (thanks Lits)" at times.
Romney: Flipflop, flopflip, great at earning money, he campaigns like he earns money, he caters to whoever will give him the most of it, hence the flippetyfloppety.
Edwards: Shadow of the Socialis.....Democratic party, his wife's cancer was the only thing that got him in the media this time around.
Obama: Intelligent, charismatic, hard working, has a podcast, actually stands for something, knows what he wants and how to properly argue for it (A Democrat? I'm shocked).
Other non-official candidates Gingrich: Intelligent, charismatic, hard working, has a unique first name, actually stands for something, knows what he wants and how to properly argue for it (A Republican? Not so shocked).
Fred Thompson: You may know him as the DA on Law & Order, but he's also a kick ass Senator from Tennessee.
Notice I didn't go into specific topics with any of the candidates, so as not to polarize who to pick around issues.
The president is one person out of many leaders that help guide where America and the world goes. The ability to veto bills is a powerful ability, but in an ever-modernizing world society, I feel the president of the United States of America's strongest ability is to represent who we are and where we're going to ourselves (to remind/guide us) and to the rest of the world (to inspire/educate).
So the long winded question you must ask yourself in the polling booth; who is the person that is going to represent me to everyone else in the world and remind me of who I am supposed to be and where I'm going?
I would love for that person to be Gingrich, but of my current choices I pick Obama.
If we're taking bets on who will win, my money is on Giuliani.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2007, 02:18:14 pm
Quote from: "Lits"
.4. John McCain is a radicalist redneck who seems to think God is on his side and he's right and you can't tell him wrong. These are the VERY people I HATE most!! I just want to put on all black, pierce every piece of my skin I can, proffess my faith in Satanism, and make out with a girl of another race in front of him, all the while having a charming conversation about Greek Literature and Botticelli's works with him. Damned tunnel visioned zealots.....
Just so you know lits... you can pretend I'm John McCain any day of the week... =p
Quote from: "Da6onet"
Quote from: "Lits"
I have traditionally been a Republican when it comes to financial endeavors and a Democrat on social issues. I guess I could be called a very liberal Republican.
That's generally called a Libertarian.
Actually Libertarians are in the extreme when it comes to being socially liberal. IE. abolishing the tax system and having the government supported entirely through donation. Legalizing ALL illegal drugs. They are almost all objectivists (Ayn Rand's philosophy... she sums it up with "The virtue of selfishness.) Basicly they are what you get when you mix an anarchist and a capitalist.
From the sound of it Lits has very similar political views as me. Not right enough to be a republican, not left enough to be a liberal. Not extreme enough to be a libertarian. I often consider myself a Moderate Capitalist.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Fuse on May 03, 2007, 10:37:03 am
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Obama: (A Democrat? I'm shocked)
Amen. I think he claims a party because you have to in order to get elected. I hate political parties. It's like organized religion: No one has itcompletely right, yet no one is willing to admit it.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Broin on May 03, 2007, 10:47:53 pm
Oh besides Newt... I forgot to mention Fred Thompson. Yeah take a good look at those guys one of those two WILL be the next Pres.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anamodiel on May 04, 2007, 05:05:24 am
Quote from: "Broin"
Oh besides Newt... I forgot to mention Fred Thompson. Yeah take a good look at those guys one of those two WILL be the next Pres.
Are you saying this because you know something or are you saying this because you want it to be true?
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Da6onet on May 04, 2007, 10:25:56 am
Quote from: "Anamodiel"
Quote from: "Broin"
Oh besides Newt... I forgot to mention Fred Thompson. Yeah take a good look at those guys one of those two WILL be the next Pres.
Are you saying this because you know something or are you saying this because you want it to be true?
He could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Broin on May 07, 2007, 12:09:49 am
Quote from: "Tbone"
No shunning allowed on a political topic.
Hmm, I'd say Obama because David Palmer made a kick ass prez.
LOL with this in mind I'll add my two cents in on a few comments...
1st Barak Obama... Seriously... I mean come on seriously. Name me one thing this guy has done that would qualify him for the most powerful position on the planet? Your next thoughts should be... He is a junior senator. Junior as in JV... With that in mind and how I know many of you are still in that younger age group think about putting that JV quarterback in a superbowl against the Stealers Defense. Yeah that's right its the same thing... Only the JV quarter back would do a better job. That's why almost 80%+ of our president's in the recent past have come from the ranks of governors. you know guys that run whole states not just tell their pages what kind of coffee they want in the morning.
Somebody mentioned education and us keeping up with Asia... Hey take a look around at any college campus. And I mean ANY. You'll see that the Asian countries and in fact every major industrial country sends their students over here to learn... Why is that? Because we kick the crap out of them in higher education and learning.
Why can this be you ask? Well because higher education is an outcome based open market system. If you put in the time effort and kick some ass then you reap the rewards. Now it is the k-12 education system that sucks for shit in this country. Why is that you ask? Well because it's ran by the damn goverment and teachers union. Seriously take a look at the Euro's education system and ours. Theirs starts k-12 to mirror our higher education system.
This means that the money follows the student. If there is a shitty school then students dont' have to go to it and the school and teachers loose their job. No choice K-12 here in the states. The Government, through the school corp, and more exactly the teachers union tells all the children in the US where they can attend school at and usually it is based off of geographic criteria, this results in the shit hole schools you see in major metropolitan areas.
Answer to that problem. School choice. Proposed by our current pres and turned down and denied by guess who... That's right all of your leading Dem candidates and their other lackeys.
Something you folks really need to grasp. And trust me I speak from experience on this. The govt doesn't want you to be able to do for yourself. They want you to depend on them for everything. That's how the power is maintained. It's pervasive through our education system, our tax system, the healthcare system... ie Medicaid, SS, Medicare, etc. and most especially a all inclusive state run healtchare for everyone that the Dems want to instate.
Trust me the goal is to get over 50% + of the population dependent in some way shape or form upon the federal govt for their livley hood or well being. Ie, schools, jobs, healthcare, safety, etc. Once that 50% is achieved there will be no turning back.
What you all should learn and learn as soon as you can is that the Goverment can not do anything for you.
All it is, is a pit that sucks the life and livelihood out of those it deems rich or to have to much wealth, or to well off and then redistributes that bounty/booty to those who have not paid the price or sacrifice to gain the benefit.
I use to have some good discusion with my father. He use to complain about how all these CEO's of companies shouldn't be able to make all the millions that they do. He thought it was just ridiculous that someone made that much. It wasn't fair.
I always agreed with him and said yeah it's kind of like this new guy Tiger Woods whose driving the golf bar an extra 50-100 yards past everyone else. I mean it's not right that he should be able to do that right. I mean all his hardwork and dedication of time and sweat and effort and sacrafice shouldn't give him the right to do that. It just wasn't fair to those other players who weren't able to. I suggested that they put a special spot for him to start from say 75 yards behing everyone else on each golf course.
Sounds weird huh...? But think about it. That's the way it works in the mind of many leaders in our country.
Oh and one more rant before I go...
War in Iraq. Folks, two words for you... True Evil. There is such a thing it does exist, and it always has. We, are country, in the past 100 years have been the ones who have stood on the line against such.
You all should go to bed each night and pray that we don't pull out of that place to soon as what they are suggesting. People harping on deaths of soldiers. Bah.... 3,000 + in military terms that's a pittance. Hell in WWII we lost over 2,000 in one day on a single military training exercise. Training to go to war, over 2,000 in one day.... One Day. Hell if the SOB's whining and complaining and gnashing their teeth like they are today were around back then and pulling the shit back then they are now...
Well one of two things would've happened. One... they all would've been shot for treason.... or Two we wouldn't have to worry about all this middleast bull shit because everyone in Europe/Asia would either be goose stepping it or bowing down to the flag of the rising sun.
Instead Europe and Asia are the way they are today because of one thing... Us, and the commitment of will and self sacrafice that the men and women of a great generation had the forsight and courage to lay down for everyone, everywhere.
Ah hell dont' get me started on this crap again.... Nuff said
EDITED IN HERE....
Oh and P.S. Newt or Fred will be the next pres... Why because young whiper snappers like you don't have the wherewithall to go out and vote... And I thank each and everyone of you who doesn't.... LOL :D
Besides Fred Thompson freakin' rocks.... Good guy you'll see him and/or Newt come into the frey in a few months... Probably around the July-Oct time period. Mark my words kiddo's... Mark my words
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anamodiel on May 07, 2007, 05:23:50 am
Quote from: "Broin"
Besides Fred Thompson freakin' rocks.... Good guy you'll see him and/or Newt come into the frey in a few months... Probably around the July-Oct time period. Mark my words kiddo's... Mark my words
Is this just speculation? You still haven't answered my question. :D
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Da6onet on May 07, 2007, 05:55:54 am
Obama doesn't have the governor's experience yes, but what he does have is a brain and a genuine personality, that goes along way in my book ideologically. I've already pointed out that I don't agree with most of his ideas, but I do respect his opinion and I respect him as a person.
That said, I really do hope you're right about Newt and/or Thompson. My first cognitive experience with a President was Clinton, followed by G-Dubya. So I suppose I'm really just happy that there are politicians out there who inspire me. To paraphrase, Newt, "One of the things I wanted to do was travel around with him (some Democrat) and have debates; arguing passionately and fervently over many topics from education to health care, from the military to abortion rights, but at the end of the debate, we'd shake hands and hop on a bus or plane together and let people see that too." That's something I can't imagine Hillary doing.
Speaking of Hillary, the people who voted for her still haven't fessed up :-p
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: NoCry on May 07, 2007, 07:24:30 am
i met hilary and she seemed pleasant and intimidating
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Fuse on May 07, 2007, 09:22:15 am
Broin scares me.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Fuse on May 07, 2007, 10:12:13 am
Also, I think I like obama because I compare him to this guy: (http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/bush_veto.jpg) http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/03/video-im-the-commander-guy/
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And that’s what we do. We put in more troops to get to a position where we can be in some other place. The question is, who ought to make that decision? The Congress or the commanders? And as you know, my position is clear — I’m the commander guy.
*facepalm*
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Pirus on May 07, 2007, 10:43:37 am
gulp.... that is all
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Subb on May 07, 2007, 11:40:08 am
Subb for prez! :D
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Broin on May 07, 2007, 06:38:59 pm
Quote from: "Subb"
Subb for prez! :D
How about Subb for Secretary of Defense? I'd go for that :D
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Lithium on May 16, 2007, 02:36:10 am
Fred Thompson is pretty fucking amazing, hell he was in Die Hard 2!
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Phienyx on May 16, 2007, 01:09:48 pm
Did someone say Black Osama?
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Broin on May 18, 2007, 08:59:45 pm
LOL dude I told you Fred Thompson rocks
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: NoCry on May 19, 2007, 01:36:46 pm
michael...?
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Subb on May 19, 2007, 02:18:07 pm
Quote from: "Broin"
Quote from: "Subb"
Subb for prez! :D
How about Subb for Secretary of Defense? I'd go for that :D
:S I don't settling for second place.... :S
Do I get to push the big red button?
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Lithium on May 19, 2007, 05:37:48 pm
Quote from: "NoCry"
michael...?
Moore, that moron documentary director. He had maybe one decent film about Flint Michigan and then he just got stupider.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Broin on September 06, 2007, 11:31:08 pm
Right off hand I'm thinking Newt will be his VP choice... Though I'm not 100% on that
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Lithium on September 07, 2007, 12:16:38 am
http://imwithfred.com is the official site with the video.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Da6onet on September 07, 2007, 06:59:52 am
Quote from: "Broin"
Right off hand I'm thinking Newt will be his VP choice... Though I'm not 100% on that
Only if the people demand it.
At least that's what Newt said :-p
Also, you guys should check out youtube, c-span, and any other resources to try and see all the candidates speak. Even the ones that don't have a snowballs chance in hell.
You don't have to agree with their points, but many of them are very clear about their beliefs and goals and it will help open your eyes to different ways of thinking about things. That said, it's obvious the only person who doesn't actually give a shit is Hillary Clinton.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2007, 07:13:21 am
If Newt is the running mate of Fred they won't win. Minorities have a personal hatred of Newt. Fred is not the savior of the republicans in my opinion, he's just better than the other republicans running and that's not saying much.
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Pirus on September 07, 2007, 07:44:19 am
wow dmax youre still just a trained soldier? wtf man, get off your butt and do some posting (training) here i am hunting agents :) while youre still messing with the blackwood goofs lol
Title: If the election were today...
Post by: Manic Velocity on September 09, 2007, 12:20:04 am