The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Anamodiel on September 11, 2006, 07:35:14 pm
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http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/posts/list.m?topic_id=36300003268
Please, guys, vote in this topic. We really need /face and /follow. It's so helpful. XD
Sorry this is so short.. not much to say. Just vote. :)
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All the Machs/Mervs in that thread are talking about these commands like only Zion has been given divine credence from the devs to use them. I think everyone in those orgs purposefully makes the game not fun for themselves just so they can feel like they're taking the moral high ground.
Either that or I'm just cranky today. :)
EDIT: I take that back. Pretty much everyone on Vector is clinging to these commands like oxygen. Oddly enough, it's all the carebears that want them taken out.
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Personally, as a carebear insomuch as I don't like gankers, I think face and follow still have a valid place. There's a thrill in the hunt and even though I never use those commands they are useful for tracking down people who attack FA (if you'll remember that night we camped out in a mission area after a certain ganking attack). So purely from a parochial view, they get my vote. However, I don't think they'll listen and I think they'll remove them anyway.
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That's ridiculous. Read my post on page 6. It sums it up. I can already tell someone is gonna respond to my "God mode" comment and say that "/face" is God mode, but that's only because people are stupid.
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hehe i like how neener mentioned "that one faction who loves to be there when you land" hmm wonder which one he was talking about ;) LOL it seems that everyones main complaint is ... well US .. Who knew they didn't like us hunting them down and killing them. It came as a shock to me what about you guys.
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Much as I don't like them camping and spouting crap, camping and sniping, ganking while you're on assistance missions, etc.... but I don't complain ;)
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Wow a vote becoming a flame war who coulda guessed.
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hahaha. I got flamed for my RP, which I meant as a joke. *rolls eyes and whistles* :D
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Anamodiel wrote: I've heard some hints on Recursion that some nerfing will be happening to /face and /follow.. What exactly is being changed with them?
Rarebit wrote: The intent is that they will no longer work on hostile players.
Endlessvoid wrote: Woah, woah, woah... I thought that the poll results on that one CLEARLY stated that we as a community did NOT want any changes made to those commands. ... And now I can't find the poll, so if someone could, that would be great. But I thought that we decided those commands were needed as-is. - Void
It was an interesting poll, certainly, and showed some of the uses and limitations of a flat polling process. It was particularly interesting to me that at first all the votes were for keeping them as-is; then the Machinists found out about it, and the "change them" votes kicked in. Yes, the "keep them" side was still larger when the poll was shut down due to flaming or whatever it was, but the measurable swings in the votes, and the vehemence of the arguments for and against, clearly illustrated that all is not right in the world as far as those commands are concerned, even if the majority says they're okay with them.
Anyway, as Walrus said when I forwarded the team a player account giving an example of how these commands are used, our game should not have an "auto lock-on." If you ask me whether my sentiments lie with the group trying to track an escaping player, or with the escaping player, I will tell you that they tend to lie with the escaping player. In general we do not want functions that favor the larger side of an existing population imbalance, since that will simply increase the imbalance, and by all accounts, /face and /follow have been doing just that in PVP, and that was never a part of their design.
That being said, I think that there is value in having tracking tools; but these must be incorporated within the checks and balances of our existing ability and item systems, and in any event they should not allow players to auto-pilot to a target. From what I've heard, Dracomet's work on luggables includes some new tracking functionality--specific, I believe, to luggables, but it will help give us evaluate the potential for other tracking abilities.
Well god dammit. That's total bullshit. All of it. *runs off into a swearing frenzy*
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Welcome to the Incompetence Hotel would you like a mint on your pillow? (But we are out of pillows)
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damn, that sucks more than Britney Spears on her knees. Oh, well back to the old way of doing things.
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How can Rarebit use the org imbalance as an excuse for that? All orgs can and do use the commands, for fuck's sake.
Seems like more and more the devs want to make the game easier and easier for those that don't want to die. Just take "Hostile" out of the server name for Vector. It no longer applies.
Maybe with update 50 they'll just merge all the servers into one. :\
EDIT: Also, Anamodiel needs to swear more. :D
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You can catch my response to Rarebit's pussiness here.
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/posts/list.m?start=2625&topic_id=36300001592
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No offense to WOW but it is a game set on EASY mode.. even little kids with no gaming skills can be a "good player" in that game.. not saying some aspects of the game don't take skill.. but.. anyways on to my main point.. I honestly think the Devs are trying to make this game "easier" to play so that you don't have to be very good at your skills or abilities to be able to win. CR2.0 was loaded with stuff that made some aspects of the game easier to play (double hotbar and such) and although Dag and others are masters of buffs and thier skills they are becoming few and far between... it is becoming easier to win in a fight even if you suck or are a few levels lower... WTF...
STOP TRYING TO TURN OUR GAME INTO A GAME ON EASY MODE
JMO
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The more they (reds) cry the more dumb they will make the game.
We are the last maturity left in the game and we are outnumbered with stupidity so the devs will favor the majority.
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You were a lot nicer than I was. lol
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I have the perfect solution:
Remove HJ completely. It's perfect! If we can no longer chase our targets, then they should no longer be able to escape. It's the only way to make it fair!
Shit... I think Rarebit heard me...
Can I get a mop for all this dripping sarcasm?
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I have the perfect solution:
Remove HJ completely. It's perfect! If we can no longer chase our targets, then they should no longer be able to escape. It's the only way to make it fair!
Shit... I think Rarebit heard me...
Can I get a mop for all this dripping sarcasm?
That might actually be part of the solution. I'm totally in favor of getting rid of the ctrl+space (Mario Jump) jump in favor of the reticle only jump.
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actually I suggested a while back not allowing HJ while in a combat state.
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Unfortunatly fuse they don't listen to our ideas.
They sit in a meeting room for 12 hours and decide if /face and /follow are unbalanced.
Then they go home.
Take a sick day.
Go to work an hour late and sit in another meeting for 3 hours debating if /face and /follow are unbalenced
Take a 4 hours break and troll the forums.
Sit in a meeting for another 3 hours debating what to do for Halloween.
Then there coder comments out a few lines of code and writes a new if statment.
Then its time to go home.
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I guess it is worth noting that they put in a hotfix for this today.
Of course they didn't completely fix it, 3rd times a charm maybe?
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/posts/list.m?topic_id=36300006643
Of course FH and Collective are all over the issues and calling for it to be deemed an exploit now. SIGH.
Of course they all forget that the majority of the community didn't want to see this gone in the first place.
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Sploitz! I just had to post in that thread...
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Somebody needs to just slug sneaker. How can he call /face and /follow unfair but magic moving midair HJ fair? Oh, thats right he wants to fly away without getting killed whenever times get rough. Evening the odds by getting rid of that would be unfair to his 100% success escape.
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Sneaker is bringing up another god damn fucking shit storm and bringing US into shit when we haven't even posted.
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/posts/list.m?topic_id=36300007120
Is there any way that we can find out where he lives so Broin can take him out Government style?
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He's a fucking idiot. Who actually gives a shit anymore? It's obvious they are all sucking each others dicks over there.
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Before Sneaker deletes it:
Sneaker wrote:
FA should know better.
Apologize, broin, for abusing an emote identical to one that the devs removed.
This whole discussion is ridiculous, the end all being Sneaker's attitude...
I know my points will widely be ignored, but here we go. We were told that the reason /face and /follow were removed was because MxO was never meant to have an auto-lock-and-follow system. To claim that any other emote has the same effect as /face shows a disregard for the issue at hand.
You must not be in a combat state to use an emote. This means using an emote at any point near a confrontation is impossible. This includes getting shot at, free firing someone, or just exiting interlock with someone. It takes a few seconds before the emote can be used.
An emote does not lock on to another player. It simply shows the direction of a player who is close to you for the brief second the emote is being performed. It does not stick.
You must be standing completely still to use an emote.
Simply put, there is NO WAY to auto lock and track a player using emotes. I can't stress to you how inefficient it is. The only benefit it has is finding the direction of a player after you have him on target to have an idea of where your enemy is before the battle begins.
What disgusts me most is the attitude that's accompanying this argument. I don't care how right you think you are or how many dev phone numbers you have or how much power you think you have over some gaming community - show some respect to the general population. Last I checked this was not The Sneaker Online and this isn't the TC forums. You have NO RIGHT to demand anything. You DEMAND an apology? There's a HUGE difference between sparking a discussing and POINTING FINGERS and DEMANDING APOLOGIES. To you, my dear friend, I simply say no, perhaps a word you don't hear enough.
I will leave you now with a statement that, while full of irony and hypocracy, should be looked at by EVERYONE in this discussion, especially those that sparked it. The following was recently said by Remag_Div, a Sneakerite:
"If you see anyone...intentionally 'abusing' emotes...please do not post it publicly on the forums as this will just cause more drama and bickering"
While this statement was being used simply to try and avoid a dose of their own medicine, it is true that if you are questioning something in the game or are wary that someone might be abusing a system, you should /ccr it. The LAST thing you should do is take the example of those who started this discussion and post screenshots, point fingers, and DEMAND that everyone agree with you and apologize. Doing so not only makes you look like a...well, insert whatever you want here...but is also considered flaming and flame-baiting. Should I DEMAND that you not do it? Hmm...nah, I'll leave that to the others.
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It's as if a company publishes anti-FA propaganda every four months, and this is the current issue.
Why does it seem that so many folks in MMO communities seek attention through drama and negativity? My guess is that a good chunk of these guys are adolescents trying to strengthen their little virtual identities by pointing fingers at the big boys for things that they can use to justify their losses (e.g., dying in game).
They should introduce classes into elementary, middle, and high schools that teach the fundamentals of emotional stability, common courtesy, and debating...then maybe there wouldn't be so many bleeding vaginas that lack access to a much needed tampon in this world.
Since I didn't curse at all in the above statement (though I'd like to very much), I'll do it here. Fucking, bullshit, asshole, goddamn. Go ahead and drag and drop those four words into my above statements for your own entertainment.
/end rant
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If it was me, I wouldn't have used the block caps, otherwise a good set of points
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They should introduce classes into elementary, middle, and high schools that teach the fundamentals of emotional stability, common courtesy, and debating...then maybe there wouldn't be so many bleeding vaginas that lack access to a much needed tampon in this world.
Jeyk wins the internet!
Seriously, that shit had me laughing. I would be honored if you were to impregnate my future wife.
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The Pretend Matrix Online
Coming Soon in 2007
No emotes
No damage taken
No combat states
No tracking tools
No macros
No buffs
Instant getaway and rollout
But tons of secret community-dev relations
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That thread makes me not want to ever go to the mxo forums again. Notice that sata guy is an mkt, no wonder he doesn't want people to be able to track him. I asked how does an MA root people, his answer was to basically be a hybrid. I'm done with the whole subject, I'll let them ruin the game even further and just not resubscribe.
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Even if your a hybrid the chance you kill someone one on one without them having a get away is very slim. They PvP on recursion, they know nothing about resistances and skill. Give me a break the people they kill over there would get ass raped on our server.
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Which is all the more reason to pwn them on their turf on Recursion. We need to have some leveling parties over there during the next few weeks!
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That's an insult to the "Stuck up idiot" community.