The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Off Topic => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 13, 2005, 03:03:39 pm
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Hey guys... I was just wondering if anyone could give me some tips and information about paintball.. I've never tried it before and I've been thinkin about trying it out this summer with a bunch of my friends... If any of you could give me some good info, tips, advice, etc.. that would be awesome.. .cause i'm really curious about it...
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I love paintball its the sport of men!! Are you planning on buying a gun because that is the best route regardless of how cheap it is to rent. Most of the time rented ones break down in the middle of a cross fire and you do not want that. I currently have a Tippman 98 custom which is a very good paintball gun and you can customize it to look like a M4. Its aroun 100-200 dollars depending on the customization you put on it. Heres a link http://tippmann.com/
Air compression wise there are standard 4 oz 6 oz 9 oz up to about 20 oz CO2 they run out after about three rounds of play. My suggestion is to go with a Nitrogen powered 20 oz they last longer and are just better to equip. Heres a link to one: http://www.oshmans.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=1435313&cp=712507.712517
Painball wise just get your run of the mill thats what i do and i cant complain. If you have a painball shop/place to paintball they usually have good sells about 2000rounds for 60 bucks.
Clothing: Camo works in the woods type settings. Short sleeve shirt and some pants work mostly to cover from poisin ivy. Paint balls do not hurt at all. If you buy a packaged gun it should come with a suitable face mask, but if you want a better one then check this out:
http://www.oshmans.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1450268&cp=712507.710320&parentPage=family
That should be about it bro hope this helps and have fun paintball is a blast.
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well... seeing that when i go this summer its gonna be my first time... i think i'll just rent the equipment for now... i know its not as good and can be worn out... but... i dont think i should make that kind of investment until i decide if i like it or not... plus... i gotta save up for it =p but thanks for the tips man... i'll keep what you've said in mind if i decide to buy my own equipment... i was looking at a tippman for myself anyways... so i'm glad to hear its a good brand...
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I worked at Badlandz Paintball field near Chicago for 6 years, 3 of which I was manager. The Chicago Open, which is the 2nd largest Painball Tounement in the world was held there-the largest being the World Cup in Orlando. It has been about 4 years sinse I have been there, but I know too much. I've practiced with Aftershock (Badlandz is thier home field). I worked for them, and with them. I've captained a team in an amateur touney or two, I've put together and trained an all girl team whom took 3rd of 10 in a good sized amateur tourney, and I've spent way too much of my teen life creating fields, managing pothead workers, creating customer safety guidlines, and organizing events...
I'm going to type up advice, and it may take a while. But know that my advice will be a bit more in-depth and serious than Oriens (no offense bro) =)
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Thats cool dude i used rented stuff and was instantly hooked and proceeded to go on a full blown spree. Have fun
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Go for it man, Paintball is great fun! Though I highly respect Tippman as a manufacturer, I have always had a special place in my heart for Kingman. You can find a Kingman Spyder for around 75-200 bucks, but the best part is, you can do ANYTHING with it. Spyders are the paintball equivilant of a Civic, you can mod it in any way imaginable. I have seen Spyders outpreform mags on the field, and they are extremely easy to service. If you buy one and put some work into it, you'll grow into a part of it. :)
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paintball kicks serious ass, especially when u got a scope on your paintball gun, have a nitrogen tank (not CO2 tank), and snipe someone very far away..... :D
only thing that suks though is when u get hit in the nuts, under the arm pits, or the back of the neck no matter what you're wearing underneath.........you'll feel it in the morning..... :'(
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Paintball is a freaking blast. If you have never gone before, go. When you do, rent equipment, bring a friend, and have them shoot you. I'm not bullshitting you-have then stand 50 feet away, cover your balls, and have them shoot once at you. It will sting, but you HAVE to get use to that. WHen you are in the middle of a game your energy level will be through the roof. Your heart will be beating and when you are hit, you will not even feel it... untill your on the sideline and your heart settles down. Get it out of the way early or else you'll be so afraid to get hit it will be too distracting. The first few times you go, rent equipment. It can be expensive, but if it's not something your going to get into on a usual basis, don't bother buying gear for it.
Advice for buying gear:
As I said, I have experience working at a paintball field, but I also worked for Shocktech peiceing together all thier items. 3-ways, rams, grips, valves, beavertails, you name it I had my hands on it. (by the way, did you know the 2002 cocker ram had 12 individual peices to it? crazy!). There are a few types of guns you can get. On the low price, and for good reason IMO, is the tippman-like markers. We had these at our field when I first got there. I've spent waaaaaay too many weekdays cleanign and fixing these devil fuckers. The largest issue that I have with these is that there is no expansion chamber for the CO2 to turn into gas.
++++CO2 is a liquid/gas mix. When in liquid form it is extremely cold and as it expands, the pressure builds turning to gas++++An expansion chamber (resivior to some people) allows the liquid a place to expand and turn to gas before reaching the internals of the gun, and also before reaching your paintball. If too much get into your gun, it freezes and can cause bad effects such as O-ring expansion or breakage, or even freezing the vavlepin to the valve in extreme situations. Now these CO2 issues go across the board with all CO2 powered markers, but the tippman 92 (I think it was) also has a moving valve which I never trusted. I suppose I just didn't trust the valve. It was completely encased inside the one chamber marker and the CO2 hose was piped directly into it. If and when it did break it was a nightmare to get into compared to other markers.
Another step up, but not much up, is the markers like pirannah, spyder, ect... These almost always come standard with an expansion chamber, 20oz CO2 tank, and unlike the tippmans, a 2 bolt system. One bolt to hit the valvepin inside the valve to release the pressure, and a venturi-like bolt in the top chamber to direct the air out towards the ball and barrel. These are very easy to tear down to clean or fix and leave a lot larger room for expansiona nd addition of parts/upgrades. I bought a spyder for my first gun, and I still htink it's a good starter one, even better now. When I got mine, there were 2 Spyders - the Spyder Original, and the Spyder Compact A - made by one company, kingman. Now there are probably 50 kinds made by different companies. Each adding it's own little addition or change int e way it looks. Some of the more expensive spyders (and other classes that work the same way) have even dipped into the electronic fireing market. We'll get into those later.
Work is over, so I have a long drive ahead of me. I will go into the industry standard markers (the autococker & mag) - the electronic masters (Angel, shocker, Electronic Cockers, list goes on) - and also air systems (Right now I'll just say Nitrogen is not actually "nitrogen", it does NOT come in 20oz canisters-thats CO2-and for gods sake do not call it nitrous!)
I'll continue this later.
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By the way, I have a spyder I bought for about 150, and put about 700 into it and it still will never compare to any high-class marker such as a cocker or angel. Spyders are great for beginners. I'll sell mine to anyone if interested. I'll get pics and details later.
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I love paintball. I started playing a few years ago and was hooked after the first time. I rented the first time I went and it drove me crazy that I had to kind of arc the balls at my opponents. So before I went the next weekend I bought everything I needed to throw down. I bought a Spyder AMG LCD and it was a good gun for awhile, the I made the switch to an Outkast Autococker. Beware of paintball, you will spend a fortune on equipment if you catch the bug. I have spent about $2000 on my current setup.
Anyway, don't sweat the pain involved in getting shot. I had one of my friends shoot me as soon as we got to the field my first time so I could get the shock of what it might feel like out of the way. It stung, but it's like getting snapped with a towel. Plus your adrenaline will be pumping so much that you'll just be more pissed that you were eliminated than you are about the pain.
I recommend wearing gloves. I got shot in the pinky once and it swelled to about the size of my middle finger and then the knuckle started bleeding. I bought gloves the next day. Also, be safe, go to a field with ref's and a chronograph. Most fields play at 270fps(feet per second), but some are 300fps, which is 204mph. Anything above that makes a welt that bleeds and ruins the fun of the game. There are idiots in every sport, so some people think it's funny to crank their guns up high when you're just playing in the woods. We had a guy get shot once playing in some woods off the highway and he complained, we chrono'd the other guy's gun and it was at 375fps, uncool. Oh, and never, ever, ever take your mask off, no matter what. If your goggles fog up, just leave the field and call yourself out, it's not worth losing an eye. 204mph + eyeball = blind. Drink tons of water/gatorade, your adrenaline will be going, it's hot, and you're breathing heavy, STAY HYDRATED!!!
As far as gameplay, keep your freaking head down, and if you're crawling, keep your ass down. Watch out for tunnel vision. By this I mean look around constantly. Don't just focus on what is ahead of you, look to your sides and constantly watch your peripheral vision. This is how I get most of my kills, a guy gets tunnel vision and I shoot him from the side or sneak around behind. Play as a team, and constantly communicate. Yell positions of opposing players to each other. If an enemy moves, make sure everyone knows where they went so they don't get waxed.
I think that's it. Paintballs owns, so have fun, I'll be out playing tomorrow. Not unlike every Saturday that doesn't have snow on the ground.
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BTW, Here's a pic of Adrenaline playing paintball...
http://801paintball.com/gallery/Splat050104/Splat_050104_010
And here's me in my gear...
http://801paintball.com/gallery/Splat032704/Splat_032704_017
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Trying to make me look bad eh? lol I actually love my tippmann 98 custom ive put over 200 dollars in extra customization to make it the badass of the badasses. Ive demoed a A-5 and am thinking of trading in at my Hit and Run for it. But thats me and i have thought about kicking myself for not getting a Dye cause those are the cadillac of painball guns, but damn they cost a pretty penny.
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Haha. No, my buddy has the A-5 with the response trigger and the flatline barrel and that thing is sick. Tippmann is a great company and is the best if you don't want to do a lot of maintenance. I might grab an A-5 for scenario games, but I'll have to trick it out the way he has.
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So whats your fav area to play woodland or tourny style setting?
I love using woodland play its so much more realistic and fun for hiding and good flanking.
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I like wooded play the most, it feels like you're really hunting other humans, and I'm kind of down for that. Not in a psycho way, but all my in-laws hunt and I think it's retarded, I'd rather hunt a thinking target.
However, I enjoy tournament play, but I use 4 times as much paint playing that way. And at $60 a case, I'd rather conserve.
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Paintball, eh? I think it's the thing where there are balls...and they have paint in them...
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Haha, I knew Grifter would jump on this thread. He pwns at paintball. Military experience certainly helps.
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man... i've been downloadin video clips and lookin at websites and whatnot... its gettin me wicked siked to try this out... now i cant wait lol...
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[Continuation from my last post]
OK, onto to the mother of paintball markers. If your a DJ, these are the Tech 1200s. If your a farmer, this is the tracktor. If your a redpill, this is hyperjump. It's the autococker. An autococker does what the name says. Each time a ball is shot, it recocks the gun using a different method than a blow-back semi like the tippmans and spyder-like markers that use the same air source blast that pushes the ball to push back a bolt to a locking position. A cocker does this by a few peices mounted on the frontblock of the gun. WHen you pull the trigger you change the airflow inside a 3 'nossel' valve called a 3 way. This directs compressed air from a regulator into the front end of the ram. This ram is connected to the backblock of the gun. The pressure in the front pushed a rod and therefore the backblock back, recocking the marker. When the trigger is release the 3-way redirects the air at the back of the ram, pushing the rod-and therefore backblock-forward resetting the block and bolt. This is very efficient and tweaks to the design has created the most popular paintball marker type created. One issue with cockers, and the rest of the marker I'll talk about is that they do not do well with CO2. While cockers can use it, they will go through it more quickly, and therefore freeze up much faster.
OK, now for my favorite. The electronic markers. My baby-mi amore-the Angel. One of the first, and arguably the best electronic paintball marker. WHile I have not worked on these, or owned one, I have played with many. The last tournement I played in I used Billy "B" Ceranskis (Of Aftershock-named 'michael Jordan of paintball in 1999 or 2000 edition of some paintball mag I can't remember) Angel and had a hard time giving it back. Electronic markers use a trigger asembly that involves an extremely small pull to activate the fireing sequence. Basically it's just completing, and breaking an electric circuit and a computer inside the marker, usually in the grip, does all the timing work. The angel is nice because it has a digital display on the grip that displays such information as shots per second, shot count-with reset, a timer for games, and other nice things that they've probably expanded on sinse I've held one. Another great feature for electronic markers is the electric eye. explanation-when a ball is sitting in the chamber awaiting the sequence of events that will hopefully lead to nice end on your enemy's face, it's pretty cramped. It has little room to move. When an air source pounds against it at 300 feet per second (204.54 miles per hour) It gets all jacked up. If the bolt knicks it in the wrong way, or there is a small scratch inside the barrel, or - What I'll focus on in a second - the ball has not fully entered the chamber, the ball will break inside the marker leaving you with one hell of a mess to clean up. SOme markers like the Matrix (haha) has an amazing ability to almost always self clean after about 10 shots. But your accuracy will be off regaurdless. Anyways, back to the eye... There is an electronic eye that sits on the side of the marker looking inside right where the ball enters the chamber. WHen the trigger is pulled, a check is made to be sure that there is a ball completely in there before it sets off the fireing process. If a ball is only halfway down due to it being either clogged, or just firing too fast, it will not fire. Also something to note: There are many forms of electronic autocockers. These are dreams. Amazing accuracy, much smoother trigger, availability to use a double trigger, and thanks to shocktech (first ones to design it) a swing trigger on a cocker. It basically uses the best parts of the typical electronic markers - the eye, electronic/automatic timing - with the working of a traditional cocker.
By the way, while markers could theoretically fire as fast as 18-24 balls per second, due to feed rates and mere physics, 14-15 is the fastest that has actually been shot I beleive. Now this could be different using a loader by AirAmerica I think it was that would use a certain motor and power feed tube to force balls into the gun at higher speeds. I used this once with a Matrix when the Matrix was still being developed and OMG it was nice.
CO2=liquid+gas combo. Very unstable pressure and can cause issues with some markers.
"Nitrogen"=Compressed air. Nothing more. It is not actually pure nitrogen. One of things I loved was when a person would come up and ask "Yeah, I need my nitrous filled" My usual answer was "If this was nitrous we'd close this place down, throw a party, and you'd be paying me a lot more for filling that bottle". Generators are used to fill a large resevior tank and when you goto a fill station, you mooch off that tank a little bit. Nitrogen tanks come in 3 basic modles. the 1500 psi tank which is the smallest, looks like a 20oz CO2 tank, and pretty much useless one. The 3000psi tank which is good if your short on cash (still pricey)-but you'll still be filling up every 400-600 shots or so. And then there is the 4500psi tank which is standard. Each tank has a regulator on it, and a gauge. You will usually have a consistant pressure from max down to about 200psi. Nitrogen is not a liquid/gas mix so is much cleaner and safer. These are pricey, but worth it. The psi ammount is a safe rating. For instance, the 4500psi tanks could actually push upwards of 5000-5300 psi, but it gets very risky at that point. I do know of some of the professional players and industry gurus having 5k, and I think 5.3k tanks, but those were rare. I'm not sure if they've uped them for retail today or not.
ok, I'm done for now. That was all just a very general overview. If you wanna go into anything more or have questions, ask me here, in PM, or on teamspeak. I love reliving this stuff-it was my life for so long. *sniff*
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Oh yea and make sure if you get an autohopper you get a good one with a firm clamp alot of the electronic hoppers suxor unless you pick the right one. Dye has a good one but you can get better bang for your buck here 888paintball.com my place to shop paintball wise.
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orien, dont feel bad about it, I have a similar setup, I currently use a 98 custom, with quite a few add-ons. Current Setup:
98 Custom
RVA
Custom sight rail
Drop forward
8stage expansion chamber
14" J&J barrel
double trigger
(there's a pic of me playing with it in the pic grifter posted above, not one of
my best pics of me, but you get the idea.. :) )
needless to say, it's a fun gun to play with.
still trying to decide if I wanna swap out the barrel for a flatline and install the response trigger, or get a new setup. either is tempting, one just costs more. :)
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get the flatline... amazing barrel.
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Alright... from what i've researched so far... i'm not gonna be one to spray the field with paint like rambo... whenever i do anything like this I've always been fond of a stealth sniper like roll... do you have any tips regarding that or... do you have any recomendations on a marker and upgrades I could get thats best for that kind of play... at a decent price of course lol...
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Trying to sneak up and one shot kill is difficult, though much much cheaper than the alternative of firing many shots at a single target to account for them moving, or bounces.
A starter marker for decently low prices include the spyder line guns. They are not as great as the cockers, but will get you by for recreation play. They are usually a couple hundred bucks, unless you go with the Electronic spyders. Just stay away from brass eagle markers or anything else you may find at KMart.
Where do you live? I haven't touched my spyder in years and would consider selling it.
Original Spyder.
Diamond Labs Dual Trigger 3 peice frame with .45 grips
Shocktech 2001 twist off super fly bolt.
Shocktech low pressure chamber.
Perfect Expansion chamber
Teardrop 12' barrel
I moved the sight rail from the back-due to the twist off bolt-to where the ball detent was(side of gun). This is a personal touch by me that required a bit of drilling.
45 drop forward
Ricochet Loader
I have 2 packs, a 4+1, and also I think I have a 5+3 as well. The 5+3 one has a pad on it, very nice.
Tons of pods.
If I pull it all out and everything still works and is in good considtion I'd get a price for you if interested. I do have 2 masks, but that your really better off buying your own. Get a nice JT mask.
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I live in Weymouth, Ma... like 20 mins south of boston...
If you can come up with a price for it... i'll tell ya if i'm interested... just gotta see how much i enjoy the sport first =p and save up some money
Oh ya... one more thing... my first time goin to play paintball.. how badly should i expect to get my butt kicked lol..
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The first time I went I got shot twice in 4-5 hours of play. It just depends on how you play. I'm a a one shot, one kill kind of guy when I'm playing woods ball, if you fire off a shot you give away your position, so make the first one count. Or lob three in really fast just to be safe.
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man... i'm gettin way too hyped about paintball now... i fear it's going to lead to a new.. and very expensive... addiction...
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my first time (about 4 years ago) was similar, shot maybe 2 or 3 times in a matter of 4-5 hours or so. I like the sneaky sniper-ish kind of play, conserves paint, and it's kind of fun, though sometimes I'll play the "im insane, and I'll kill anything that moves" kind of thing, where I'll typically not be very sneak and just walk right up on people out in the open, half the time it catches them off guard, guys tend to try to start taking poke-and-hide kinda shots and give themselves away and i run up on them, girls tend to either try the same, or just give up and say 'dont shoot' heh. grifter could probably describe one such experience where he saw me using that method of play, it was kinda funny.
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lol... man... i seriously can't wait... i've been spending the last hour or so tryin to find good clips of paintball... i've found a couple but thats about it... you wouldnt happen to know where i could find some good ones do ya?
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dont know of any off the top of my head, but im sure they could be googled if you looked around enough, but yeah, it's fun, there's nothing quite like going out on a weekend with a gun and shooting at your friends for a few hours. :)
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You know... i'd prob ask more specific questions... but seeing that i havent had the chance to play yet... and have only looked into it a little bit... i really dont know where to start lol... i havent felt like such a noob in anything for a looooong time... =p
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Recball is completely differne than this, but these are vids of pro teams. This is the type of play I use to be into.
http://www.smacktalkpaintball.com/video/
http://www.smacktalkpaintball.com/video/xball/index.shtml
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Video of Aftershock, that team I had mentioned I had worked with.
http://www.smacktalkpaintball.com/video/psp-nppl/chi01/index.shtml
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at my field. May even see me reffing one of the games.
http://www.traumaheadsports.com/ <----this place tapes major tournements and sells the videos. Great shit.
I'll look for more.
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awesome dude... i'm gonna start checkin those out now
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hmmm... i just found some refurbished markers from kingman... one's an electronic and all it includes is the marker... the other is a semi-automatic and it includes a mask a hopper and a 12 oz CO2 tank... here are the links for em... tell me what you guys think i should go with...
Spyder Imagine
http://www.kingman.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=M6907&Category_Code=
Spider Xtra Kit
http://www.kingman.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=M6888&Category_Code=
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I would go for the electric for that price myself. You'd pay a bit more to get a Revolution (A type of loader that has a motor inside to speed up the ball feed time) and a mask, but it would be worth it.
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Dam Ive never tried Paintball..
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All this talk is making me want to get back into it.
Only problem is that I will never play with anything less than a cocker/angel, I don't work at the field I use to anymore and it's all new employees who don't know me so I can't get shit for free, I can't just take a case of paint when I need it, and I am not quite in the same shape I use to be. Maybe someday again...
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yeah, it'd be a shame if you actually had to pay for paint and such like the rest of us... heh
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Paint ball is fun but you should try airsoft.
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Is that like shooting rubber balls at ppl... using almost the same gun ... we have something like that up here called "TagZone" or something been a while since I went... kinda neat... u go home with nasty welts tho if you don't wear like a sweater and jeans... :D hehe
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Im blessed to have an outstanding Paint ball place Hit and Run has one of the best fields layouts ive everseen here is their website just to give you and example. http://www.hitandrunpaintball.com